IUCrazy2 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 48 minutes ago, IUJoe said: While I agree, he's also going to have to be coached to do something other than stand and watch his man collect offensive rebounds. I am avoiding the whole coaching thing. That entire approach is going to have to change (which is why my current faith that this is going to end where we want it is really low). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 46 minutes ago, DC2345 said: That’s actually not true. MM projects to be really good next year regardless of if he is at the 3 or 4. He’s one of the best FR in the B1G. That said the team would likely be better if he’s at the 4. The problem with that is Reneau. Not MM. Reneau wants to be the 4 last I heard. If MM is at the 3 and Reneau the 4, we are right back to this year and you also have McNeely outside of his natural position (as likely the 2) getting attacked by smaller and quicker players and if Woodson has shown anything it is that his defense is great at negating that...(DWS) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Here is what I see happening. I still think Woodson is back. He goes to the portal and end up with a roster that looks like this. Transfer PG, Transfer SG/CG, Transfer Big/Queen, 2 Transfer bench G/W’s, Transfer big, Cupps, Galloway, Newton, MM, McNeeley, Reneau, and Sparks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: If MM is at the 3 and Reneau the 4, we are right back to this year and you also have McNeely outside of his natural position (as likely the 2) getting attacked by smaller and quicker players and if Woodson has shown anything it is that his defense is great at negating that...(DWS) I’m worried more about scoring and hitting shots than the defense. I believe another year can improve some of that stuff with MM can improve but we will see. I’m not sure how things will play out and Maybe Reneau is willing to play more 5 next year. I really just don’t know what will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Adding another big is not surprising. Same movie next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 50 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Here is what I see happening. I still think Woodson is back. He goes to the portal and end up with a roster that looks like this. Transfer PG, Transfer SG/CG, Transfer Big/Queen, 2 Transfer bench G/W’s, Transfer big, Cupps, Galloway, Newton, MM, McNeeley, Reneau, and Sparks. If galloway is back, so is Leal. never see one without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said: If MM is at the 3 and Reneau the 4, we are right back to this year and you also have McNeely outside of his natural position (as likely the 2) getting attacked by smaller and quicker players and if Woodson has shown anything it is that his defense is great at negating that...(DWS) McNeely plays the 2 at Montverde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdave Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, DC2345 said: People don’t have to gauge things with Banks and Gunn. They’re almost certainly leaving. Reneau is who was being reached out to but I don’t think things went too far. It’s sounding like MM could be back. I still believe Galloway is back as well. Thanks! Yea I automatically assume anyone that isn’t cracking the top 7-8 in a rotation wants to go elsewhere. As it stands, do you think Reneau stays? At least on the surface it looks Liam is. Very surprised but happy to hear about Mac. Chris on BTB said his family wants him to go pro next year regardless of draft status. A front court of Queen, Reneau, Mac, and Liam sounds really good! Keep Gallo, add maybe one of Davis or Brown Jr and I think you wouldn’t need to add a ton of extra pieces in the portal (assuming guys like Newton, Cupps, Sparks, and Leal want to stay as depth pieces). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 27 minutes ago, IU Scott said: McNeely plays the 2 at Montverde This isn't high school. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, BGleas said: Yeah, as much as I think IU needs a change, if things fall right this is also really fixable. If Woodson can convince the right guys to come back and he has a pretty solid track record of getting guys to return/not transfer. But, he's going to have to change how he recruits and the style of play. McNeely, while obviously a great shooter, is more athletic and explosive than MM. Get McNeely at the 3, MM at the 4 and Reneau at the 5. Galloway back. Then go hit the transfer portal hard for veteran guards and wings that are smart, tough and can create and/or make shots. Problem is, it could just as easily go other way where we lose almost all of those guys and it's basically a rebuild. Unfortunately you would probably have a better shot at hitting the power ball than getting woody to play MM at the 4…incredibly frustrating 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said: The only way MM being back matters is if Mike moves him to the 4 and he accepts that role. 100% but Good luck with that unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 We will probably triple down on playing big and start Mcneeley at the 2 and MM at the 3…seriously though it wouldn’t completely shock me knowing how much woody loves his big lineups SMH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 11 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: This isn't high school. Montverde is probably better than some college teams. Also they play teams who usually have multiple D1 players on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, BGleas said: Yeah, as much as I think IU needs a change, if things fall right this is also really fixable. If Woodson can convince the right guys to come back and he has a pretty solid track record of getting guys to return/not transfer. But, he's going to have to change how he recruits and the style of play. McNeely, while obviously a great shooter, is more athletic and explosive than MM. Get McNeely at the 3, MM at the 4 and Reneau at the 5. Galloway back. Then go hit the transfer portal hard for veteran guards and wings that are smart, tough and can create and/or make shots. Problem is, it could just as easily go other way where we lose almost all of those guys and it's basically a rebuild. I would add that impact freshmen can make a helluva difference. If McNeely can come in and be a "man" right away it tilts the scales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 On 2/14/2024 at 10:00 AM, FKIM01 said: For those who wanted him, I hear Chris Holtman is available. The guys “right” about Woodson, won’t admit they wanted Holtman during the Archie cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireBump Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 30 minutes ago, ledies22 said: The guys “right” about Woodson, won’t admit they wanted Holtman during the Archie cycle. To be fair, Holtman did have more success than Archie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 i can totally imagine the bind that Woodson is in with Mtaco. you sell a kid on the idea that he is an NBA 3 and he'll be starting at the 3 for you. i don't have a problem with that. the tough thing is are you good enough to then sell him on the fact that it will help the team win if he moves to the 4 and that it will also make him look better because his current role isn't doing that? can you sell him that although he will technically be a 4, you will help him develop the skills to be an NBA 3? i hope so. i agree that a very good transfer PG, Galloway, McNeeley, Mtaco, and Reneau could be solid next year. thing is... as others mentioned... there is also a problem with Reneau. can Woodson convince him to play the 5? All of that is the head coach's responsibility and i don't see it happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, ledies22 said: The guys “right” about Woodson, won’t admit they wanted Holtman during the Archie cycle. I'd still take Holtman over Woodson. I think he's a good coach that for some reason struggled the last 2 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Fkfootball said: I'd still take Holtman over Woodson. I think he's a good coach that for some reason struggled the last 2 years. I’m glad IU didn’t get Holtmann. He would have been better than Archie or Woody at IU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 19 hours ago, Fkfootball said: If Woodson comes back, I hope we win like 5 games next season. I want them all humiliated for this incompetence. What are terrible take. 18 hours ago, loviubb said: I try to stay away from posting much! BUT WHEN IU HAS PEOPLE WISHING IU WINS 5!!!! GAMES! PISS ME OFF!! IF OUR COACH MIKE WOODSON CAN'T RIGHT THE SHIP THEN IT WILL !!!! PROCEED AS IS!! I HOPE IU!!! COACH WOODSON LEADS US TOO ANOTHER BANNER!! ANYONE WHO WANT'S IU TO WIN 5 GAMES IS NOT A FAN OF OLD IU!!! DRUNK AND RANTING!! I couldn't agree more. Get lost if that's the way you feel. Everyone is disappointed with this season. Woody will either turn it around or be gone. Not much more complicated than that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 55 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: I’m glad IU didn’t get Holtmann. He would have been better than Archie or Woody at IU. I agree with you. He would've at least had his Butler success with Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 14 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: What are terrible take. I couldn't agree more. Get lost if that's the way you feel. Everyone is disappointed with this season. Woody will either turn it around or be gone. Not much more complicated than that. gotta think he is a troll right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: gotta think he is a troll right? Not a troll. OSU just fired a guy who from 2014-2022 had (8) 20 win seasons. IU hasn't done that since RMK. Edited February 17 by Fkfootball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 The good news is as stated by others this is totally fixable! We have some nice pieces on the roster for next year and if we had a couple impact guards to go with Mcneeley who looks like a stud we’re back! but I have no faith after 3 years that Woodson is willing to change style and scheme and play smaller more modern on offense and stop with the over helping Nail, slot, rim defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 6 hours ago, DC2345 said: Here is what I see happening. I still think Woodson is back. He goes to the portal and end up with a roster that looks like this. Transfer PG, Transfer SG/CG, Transfer Big/Queen, 2 Transfer bench G/W’s, Transfer big, Cupps, Galloway, Newton, MM, McNeeley, Reneau, and Sparks. Oof, that's a lot of transfers. I know we all kind of know that already, but looking at it laid out like that, and given the recent track record for guards in the portal, that could go really badly way more easily than it could break right, IMO. The only reason you should be in that position entering year 4 is if you'd set the roster up for a monster year 3 and needed to replace a lot of experience. Needless to say, that wasn't the case here. Edited February 17 by IUProfessor 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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