IUJoe Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Sure am sorry about that. Was including 85-86 because of getting beat by Richmond. I know certain teams getting beat by double digit seeds in tourney not once, not twice, but 3x is all glossed over. My apologies. PS...my aunt, uncle, and sister were in school at the time. Getting beat by Richmond that year to them was worse vs Crean early years, all of Archie,etc...combined. Yes, the ending was disappointing. But the year before (which you also listed) we were in the NIT and something like 7-11 in the Big 10. So 85-86 was actually a really good bounce back season despite the Richmond loss. I’d compare the feeling of 85-86 to that of Woodson’s first season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: I can absolutely make a case this season is worse than those, other than the early Crean seasons. The recent seasons, as in the last Crean year and the Archie years, are all better than this currently. It’s honestly not even close. 04 is probably comparable, 05 is better and 06 was a 6 seed. We won 19 and 21 games in 85 and 86. Finished second in the Big Ten in 86. How is this team close to that? I am genuinely curious, what measure are you using to say this team isn’t that bad? And knock of the implied shots at me, that crap poisons the board more than anything. My posts poison the board? I know we are supposed to debate the post now and not the poster so I'll say this....I'll gladly put my posts over the years over whoever posts your posts and see which side things sit on. Edited February 4 by Seeking6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, IUJoe said: Yes, the ending was disappointing. But the year before (which you also listed) we were in the NIT and something like 7-11 in the Big 10. So 85-86 was actually a really good bounce back season despite the Richmond loss. I’d compare the feeling of 85-86 to that of Woodson’s first season. We didn't lose to Richmond in the 85-86 season, we lost to Cleveland State. We lost to Richmond in 87-88 season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We didn't lose to Richmond in the 85-86 season, we lost to Cleveland State. We lost to Richmond in 87-88 season Thanks again! I got that stretch all messed up for sure. Just going off memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Y'know, there's a coach out there right now with power conference experience, a couple conference titles, and took two different schools to the second weekend. Sure seems like an experience was we'd all sign up for right now, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, KDB said: It will never happen but IU would immediately be back to a level we’d all be thrilled with. Dude has Ole Miss at 18-3 in year one. yep. i'm ready to win. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 i will never want us to lose, but the consolation if we only manage 2-3 more wins is it has to put his job in jeopardy right? i am still thinking no way they fire him after this year, but if it ends that bad and next year doesn't seem to be any more promising, maybe they'll have to act after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: My posts poison the board? I know we are supposed to debate the post now and not the poster so I'll say this....I'll gladly put my posts over the years over whoever posts your posts and see which side things sit on. I never said all your posts poison the board, but yes, the personal attacks do regardless of if they’re stated or implied. And I don’t really care who is more popular or better thought of, you can have that title 🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 At some point forward momentum has stopped for CMW. It’s one thing when message boards & twitter are crushing him When Gregg Doyle gives up….maybe But when Fish says he is embarrassed for the first time in 50 years you have to wonder if boosters & recruits are out too throwing players under the bus is a bad look when you brought them in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: We didn't lose to Richmond in the 85-86 season, we lost to Cleveland State. We lost to Richmond in 87-88 season My parents hated watching those games live… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: My parents hated watching those games live… I think it is past your bedtime young man. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 9 hours ago, btownqb said: I still don't understand why anyone would use these stars/ratings 4-5 years after the fact. This is poor data. yes i agree, was posting the comment but that star stuff attached. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 4 hours ago, Purdue7 said: At some point forward momentum has stopped for CMW. It’s one thing when message boards & twitter are crushing him When Gregg Doyle gives up….maybe But when Fish says he is embarrassed for the first time in 50 years you have to wonder if boosters & recruits are out too throwing players under the bus is a bad look when you brought them in yeah Fish walked that back, said he didnt mean it the way it sounded or some BS like that. Someone told him to walk it back i'm guessing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 5 hours ago, Maedhros said: Y'know, there's a coach out there right now with power conference experience, a couple conference titles, and took two different schools to the second weekend. Sure seems like an experience was we'd all sign up for right now, doesn't it? Tom Crean? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 7 hours ago, Inequality said: Ladies and gentleman the whole point of this conversation is IU is not where it belongs in the trajectory of the program conversation. Archie was fired because he failed. Crean was fired because it was determined he had reached his ceiling which wasn’t high enough for a traditional blue blood. Look where we are right now with Woodson. We (IUBB) are not good. We are no where near or even approaching the level of play that Woodson was brought in here to establish. Even though his sideline demeanor reminds me of droopy the cartoon dog, I’m sure he’s a great guy. Takes pics with folks and makes the older generations feel all special yada yada. He’s not the guy IU needs to return to its spot on the national grid. We are the worst team in the state. 7th grade JT Rink, Dr. Rinks grandson plays better ball than this entire squad. Kids gonna be special btw. Sack up and move on or continue the 1970s reunion. Thanks Buckner. Hello Mr.Wolf dressed up like a salesmen. Droopy, a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Maedhros said: Y'know, there's a coach out there right now with power conference experience, a couple conference titles, and took two different schools to the second weekend. Sure seems like an experience was we'd all sign up for right now, doesn't it? Yes, but that just isn't the IU way - we have to extend the futility at least one or two seasons too many before finally acting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Indykev said: Hello Mr.Wolf dressed up like a salesmen. Droopy, a classic. man i love the droopy and mr wolf cartoons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 11 hours ago, Parakeet Jones said: I don’t remember that. I don’t think any time frame was mentioned. You’re right, I guess I thought woody was to get the program reset in a few years then Dane Fife was to take over. Maybe just some fans hoping! That didn’t workout very well! Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Did Woodson atleast go out and recruit after yesterday’s game? Early game..,, Should have had time to go out…. If my team got embarrassed like that and “basically” get eliminated from NCAA Tourney Contention I would be working hard for next year to make sure we don’t miss again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: My parents hated watching those games live… I was in high school and we were watching some of it in the Library. Watched the second half when I got home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Cbp4IU said: Did Woodson atleast go out and recruit after yesterday’s game? Early game..,, Should have had time to go out…. If my team got embarrassed like that and “basically” get eliminated from NCAA Tourney Contention I would be working hard for next year to make sure we don’t miss again. Woodson can't get over the hump to get out and recruit. That would be too much like work. He is used to getting paid for doing nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Is it concerning a lot of the recruits Woodson have brought in have been bust. Good: Reneau JHS Mgbako Bad: Banks Bates (never developed) Duncomb( Kept him when he didn’t have too) Gunn Unknown: Cupps Newton This Class: McNeely I know the portal is now huge roll of recruitment…. But laying down a floor with your own guys… He’s really just 50-50…. You could argue outside his highly ranked guys he’s been mehhhh… I understand most of that is developing players but you could argue outside 1 recruit-ish per a recruiting class he really hasn’t brought in guys who are ready. Now Cupps is an unknown because we know he’s not ready this year but then again we don’t know what kind of player he would be under woody. I don’t want to put Newton under any category but he’s going to comeback hopefully next year after a long layoff. I don’t see him ready for the game speed until 15 games into the season next year. At the same time you pray for a guy who won’t be derailed by injuries. I don’t want to say recruiting has dried up but it’s alarming in small sample the production from his foundation of recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Yeah… to come up with that list says to me that not everyone has accepted how bad this team is. I don’t understand what anyone is using to say this team isn’t terrible - metrics, eye test, how we have performed against good teams… none of that points to a good team. We are #100 in Kenpom now. None of Archie’s teams came anywhere close to being this bad. The worst season was #71. Edited February 4 by Hoosier987 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Winning cures everything. We need wins. IU needs to somehow win like 4/5 games the rest of the year. Need to stay afloat with some of our own players and players who might be entering the portal on other teams. IU can’t afford to lose Reneau. If he stays in college IU can’t afford to lose Mgbako. Like we saw in football this year the shadiness that takes place behind the scenes. If we keep losing/go on a long losing streak the remainder of the year you know other teams will see blood in the water and find ways to contact Reneau or Mgbako. If IU loses both of them Woodson absolutely can’t be kept around. If IU loses both Reneau and Mgbako what chip does IU have that could attract players to come here. McNeely is only 1 guy and a Freshman and Galloway isn’t a “superstar” by any means but he’s a solid player but that means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 34 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: We are #100 in Kenpom now. None of Archie’s teams came anywhere close to being this bad. The worst season was #71. There are problems with just looking at KenPom ranks YoY and averages, but while acknowledging that: Last 3 Years of Archie: average finish was 45 Last 3 Years of Woodson: average KenPom is 59 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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