Lostin76 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Reacher said: Vitamin D can reduce your chances of catching COVID by 50% and makes you less likely to die if you do catch it- https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/09/27/more-on-vitamin-d-and-sars-cov-2/ We had heard this very early on and have been soaking up the sun every day as much as we can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Reacher said: Vitamin D can reduce your chances of catching COVID by 50% and makes you less likely to die if you do catch it- https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/09/27/more-on-vitamin-d-and-sars-cov-2/ Good to hear! I've never been this tan in my adult life so hopefully it's helping. I try to do 6-7 miles each day outside and anyone in Central Indiana can attest today is the first precipitation we've had in 40 days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lostin76 said: We had heard this very early on and have been soaking up the sun every day as much as we can. What's the vibe like in NYC these days? My cousin left in July and haven't been back. They've been Seattle/Pacific NW since and honestly I think it saved them. City was beating them to a breaking point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Hospital census, ICU usage, and ventilator usage are all inching up in Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Hospital census, ICU usage, and ventilator usage are all inching up in Indiana. What are the numbers exactly? I remember at one point in the so called thick of thing we were at 12% of icu capacity and give ot take a few % of ventilator use. Maybe I'm making that up. Admittedly I have thought the numbers were being misreported and politicized from early on, which proved true, I quit paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Interesting take. I was a little skeptical but the article makes a convincing case with lots of references. Something @mrflynn03was saying from early on. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said: What are the numbers exactly? I remember at one point in the so called thick of thing we were at 12% of icu capacity and give ot take a few % of ventilator use. Maybe I'm making that up. Admittedly I have thought the numbers were being misreported and politicized from early on, which proved true, I quit paying attention. This is a site I check every day. There is a specific graph near the bottom where you can see hospital census. Totals have been increasing the last couple of weeks. As far as ICU beds and ventilators, the page only shows the current status. But, as I follow it every day, I can tell you the 13.0% for ICU beds in use was below 10% just a couple of weeks ago. And, the 3.2% for ventilators had gotten as low as 2.1% not that long ago. https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Seeking6 said: What's the vibe like in NYC these days? My cousin left in July and haven't been back. They've been Seattle/Pacific NW since and honestly I think it saved them. City was beating them to a breaking point. Good for them to relocate, the PNW is just freaking beautiful and it won't beat you down the way NYC can. I totally get their decision. It's very mixed these days. There's a good number of people who left in March and have returned after the end of summer. They don't seem to understand while the rest of us are still so cautious. I just came back from a 20 minute walk to the beer shop and I would say half of the people I saw weren't really wearing masks - just chin straps. That's definitely differnt in the last few weeks. I do feel like we've (my wife and I) returned to some sense of normalcy. We've been getting out for long walks in the mornings and sidewalk dining every weekend. All of our local places (that havent' shuttered for good) are pretty much open with limited numbers of people let inside (usually 5-7). People are used to waiting in lines here, so not that big of a deal. The big avenue by our place is now closed on the weekends to traffic, so it's like 6 lanes of people partying and hanging out on socially distanced blankets. All of the restaurants have set up tables in the middle of the street and seem to be doing good business - though not pre-pandemic levels. Last night, we were walking home and came upon dueling marching bands entertaining the crowds of people. That was pretty cool. We still aren't taking public transportation or working in the office. Our department isn't going back to the office this fall and most likely not this winter. The only major issue is traffic. SO many people have now purchased cars, so it takes almost longer to drive somewhere than walk. And if you give up your parking space during the week, it takes at least an hour to find another on your return home. @Reacher promised me that the real estate prices were going to be coming down, but it looks like everyone is moving to Brooklyn! We are willing to be patient and are happy in our current rental though. We have friends who just moved here from CA and they are looking to buy a place upstate. Every time they find someplace interesting, it's already sold for all cash and usually over the asking price. Lots of rich a**holes in Manhattan are buying apparently. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lostin76 said: Good for them to relocate, the PNW is just freaking beautiful and it won't beat you down the way NYC can. I totally get their decision. It's very mixed these days. There's a good number of people who left in March and have returned after the end of summer. They don't seem to understand while the rest of us are still so cautious. I just came back from a 20 minute walk to the beer shop and I would say half of the people I saw weren't really wearing masks - just chin straps. That's definitely differnt in the last few weeks. I do feel like we've (my wife and I) returned to some sense of normalcy. We've been getting out for long walks in the mornings and sidewalk dining every weekend. All of our local places (that havent' shuttered for good) are pretty much open with limited numbers of people let inside (usually 5-7). People are used to waiting in lines here, so not that big of a deal. The big avenue by our place is now closed on the weekends to traffic, so it's like 6 lanes of people partying and hanging out on socially distanced blankets. All of the restaurants have set up tables in the middle of the street and seem to be doing good business - though not pre-pandemic levels. Last night, we were walking home and came upon dueling marching bands entertaining the crowds of people. That was pretty cool. We still aren't taking public transportation or working in the office. Our department isn't going back to the office this fall and most likely not this winter. The only major issue is traffic. SO many people have now purchased cars, so it takes almost longer to drive somewhere than walk. And if you give up your parking space during the week, it takes at least an hour to find another on your return home. @Reacher promised me that the real estate prices were going to be coming down, but it looks like everyone is moving to Brooklyn! We are willing to be patient and are happy in our current rental though. We have friends who just moved here from CA and they are looking to buy a place upstate. Every time they find someplace interesting, it's already sold for all cash and usually over the asking price. Lots of rich a**holes in Manhattan are buying apparently. Thanks for the ground report! My good friend's brother lives in Tribeca. They are just now starting to go out and eat at sidewalk dining,etc......just seems weird how new that is to them. Good luck with things! In terms of real estate. My neighbors bought a place a couple years ago in Missoula, Montana. They are now getting inundated with NYC and CA $ paying 3-4x what places are or were worth just to escape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lostin76 said: Good for them to relocate, the PNW is just freaking beautiful and it won't beat you down the way NYC can. I totally get their decision. It's very mixed these days. There's a good number of people who left in March and have returned after the end of summer. They don't seem to understand while the rest of us are still so cautious. I just came back from a 20 minute walk to the beer shop and I would say half of the people I saw weren't really wearing masks - just chin straps. That's definitely differnt in the last few weeks. I do feel like we've (my wife and I) returned to some sense of normalcy. We've been getting out for long walks in the mornings and sidewalk dining every weekend. All of our local places (that havent' shuttered for good) are pretty much open with limited numbers of people let inside (usually 5-7). People are used to waiting in lines here, so not that big of a deal. The big avenue by our place is now closed on the weekends to traffic, so it's like 6 lanes of people partying and hanging out on socially distanced blankets. All of the restaurants have set up tables in the middle of the street and seem to be doing good business - though not pre-pandemic levels. Last night, we were walking home and came upon dueling marching bands entertaining the crowds of people. That was pretty cool. We still aren't taking public transportation or working in the office. Our department isn't going back to the office this fall and most likely not this winter. The only major issue is traffic. SO many people have now purchased cars, so it takes almost longer to drive somewhere than walk. And if you give up your parking space during the week, it takes at least an hour to find another on your return home. @Reacher promised me that the real estate prices were going to be coming down, but it looks like everyone is moving to Brooklyn! We are willing to be patient and are happy in our current rental though. We have friends who just moved here from CA and they are looking to buy a place upstate. Every time they find someplace interesting, it's already sold for all cash and usually over the asking price. Lots of rich a**holes in Manhattan are buying apparently. My partners just got tired of the pandemic — and declining associate billables.... — so the shareholder vote was we re-open on October 5. We’re staggering work days, an A and B schedule, for staff who are not in offices and sit close to other staff, but otherwise we’re returning to the office. Time to get used to commuting again — ugh. Houston actually sounds somewhat similar to what you’re experiencing. In public, outside, people aren’t wearing masks, but inside they mostly are, though in restaurants once seated they take off their masks (which, to me, defeats the purpose, but well they’re there to eat). I continue to think we’ll see a gradual return to more normalcy, but that has to be tempered with continuing social distancing, mask wearing, etc. while the Virus remains here and active. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Reacher said: Interesting take. I was a little skeptical but the article makes a convincing case with lots of references. Something @mrflynn03was saying from early on. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda If you read the 2 links in the last paragraph, the first gives some detail on how the Chinese feel about their position in the global order. The second gives GDP projections into 2021. Find it interesting that they are projected for 8% growth in 2021 and the European and African nations they are invested in look good but the rest lagging behind. I am well read in communist ideology and tactics(know your enemies right?) and have read Sun Tzu's Art of War. Have read alot on SE Asia and the far east. The US is in various degrees of lockdown, but China is business as usual. Makes you wonder. One of Indiana's candidates is proposing stricter lockdowns as part of his campaign. UMM...NO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 9 hours ago, 5fouls said: Hospital census, ICU usage, and ventilator usage are all inching up in Indiana. It's weird because people where I live are acting like the pandemic is over since we're in "Phase 5." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TheWatShot said: It's weird because people where I live are acting like the pandemic is over since we're in "Phase 5." I guess it depends on where you are. Its over where I live but it never began. China virus shut my wife's business for 3 months but we did ok. Dont know anyone that has been sick. People should live life like normal and go on. Quit being scared. What are people afraid of, getting sick? Whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, 5fouls said: This is a site I check every day. There is a specific graph near the bottom where you can see hospital census. Totals have been increasing the last couple of weeks. As far as ICU beds and ventilators, the page only shows the current status. But, as I follow it every day, I can tell you the 13.0% for ICU beds in use was below 10% just a couple of weeks ago. And, the 3.2% for ventilators had gotten as low as 2.1% not that long ago. https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/ This site shows Midwest cases increasing (makes sense since they never were hit hard like the NE and South) but Indiana's 2 week avg is flat. https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ 10%Increasing 9361k 24% 24% 81%Constrained 210 210 UnlikelyPositivity high 12.7%Decreasing Alaska 21%Increasing 84102 69% 69% 49%Normal 139 139 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 4.4%Increasing Arizona 3%Flat 452466 58% 58% 55%Normal 64 64 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.2%Decreasing Arkansas 😷 24%Increasing 657812 57% 57% 70%Normal 269 269 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.4%Flat California 😷 7%Increasing 3.2k3.4k 104% 104% 67%Normal 85 85 PossiblePositivity low 2.9%Decreasing Colorado 91%Increasing 316603 75% 75% 58%Normal 105 105 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 4.0%Increasing Connecticut 😷 -10%Decreasing 178160 275% 275% 50%Normal 45 45 PossiblePositivity low 1.1%Decreasing Delaware 😷 -13%Decreasing 118103 45% 45% 80%Elevated 106 106 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 6.8%Decreasing District of Columbia 😷 -12%Decreasing 4641 268% 268% 76%Elevated 58 58 PossiblePositivity low 1.1%Decreasing Florida -15%Decreasing 2.7k2.3k 28% 28% 76%Elevated 106 106 UnlikelyPositivity high 10.7%Decreasing Georgia -31%Decreasing 1.6k1.1k 49% 49% 78%Elevated 107 107 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 6.2%Decreasing Hawaii -13%Decreasing 117102 52% 52% 74%Elevated 72 72 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.9%Increasing Idaho 68%Increasing 256430 14% 14% 46%Normal 241 241 UnlikelyPositivity high 21.4%Increasing Illinois 😷 18%Increasing 1.7k2k 81% 81% 55%Normal 160 160 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 3.8%Flat Indiana 😷 -2%Flat 921899 28% 28% 62%Normal 134 134 UnlikelyPositivity high 10.9%Increasing Iowa 37%Increasing 591809 18% 18% 68%Normal 256 256 UnlikelyPositivity high 16.8%Increasing Kansas 😷 56%Increasing 426667 19% 19% 62%Normal 229 229 UnlikelyPositivity high 16.0%Increasing Kentucky 😷 7%Increasing 669717 142% 142% 80%Constrained 161 161 PossiblePositivity low 2.1%Decreasing Louisiana 😷 -23%Decreasing 703545 82% 82% 67%Normal 117 117 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 3.7%Decreasing Maine 😷 -5%Decreasing 2928 339% 339% 70%Normal 21 21 PossiblePositivity low 0.4%Decreasing Maryland 😷 -17%Decreasing 572473 60% 60% 70%Elevated 78 78 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.1%Decreasing Massachusetts 😷 35%Increasing 347468 458% 458% 55%Normal 67 67 PossiblePositivity low 0.7%Decreasing Michigan 😷 0%Flat 867863 112% 112% 73%Elevated 86 86 PossiblePositivity low 2.7%Decreasing Minnesota 79%Increasing 535957 67% 67% 73%Elevated 170 170 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 4.5%Increasing Mississippi 😷 11%Increasing 449499 25% 25% 71%Elevated 168 168 UnlikelyPositivity high 12.1%Decreasing Missouri 1%Flat 1.5k1.5k 24% 24% 66%Normal 242 242 UnlikelyPositivity high 12.4%Increasing Montana 130%Increasing 123283 40% 40% 60%Normal 265 265 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 7.7%Increasing Nebraska 12%Increasing 381426 23% 23% 62%Normal 220 220 UnlikelyPositivity high 13.2%Increasing Nevada 😷 63%Increasing 277451 25% 25% 71%Elevated 146 146 UnlikelyPositivity high 12.2%Increasing New Hampshire 1%Flat 3637 175% 175% 50%Normal 27 27 PossiblePositivity low 1.0%Flat New Jersey 😷 44%Increasing 391565 163% 163% 53%Normal 64 64 PossiblePositivity low 1.9%Flat New Mexico 😷 81%Increasing 100181 102% 102% 59%Normal 86 86 PossiblePositivity low 3.0%Increasing New York 😷 17%Increasing 734855 283% 283% 62%Normal 44 44 PossiblePositivity low 1.0%Increasing North Carolina 68%Increasing 1.2k2k 41% 41% 71%Elevated 189 189 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 7.4%Increasing North Dakota 25%Increasing 313391 42% 42% 47%Normal 513 513 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 7.2%Increasing Ohio 😷 -11%Decreasing 1.1k948 114% 114% 68%Normal 81 81 PossiblePositivity low 2.7%Decreasing Oklahoma 16%Increasing 8941k 36% 36% 69%Normal 263 263 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 8.4%Increasing Oregon 😷 53%Increasing 187286 55% 55% 62%Normal 68 68 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.5%Increasing Pennsylvania 😷 3%Flat 836859 48% 48% 76%Elevated 67 67 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 6.4%Decreasing Puerto Rico 85%Increasing 381707 3% 3% 60%Normal 221 221 UnlikelyPositivity high 100.0%Flat Rhode Island 😷 -25%Decreasing 9470 387% 387% 88%Severely constrained 66 66 PossiblePositivity low 0.8%Decreasing South Carolina 10%Increasing 1.1k1.2k 47% 47% 73%Elevated 231 231 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 6.4%Decreasing South Dakota 80%Increasing 227410 12% 12% 57%Normal 463 463 UnlikelyPositivity high 25.3%Increasing Tennessee -2%Flat 1.4k1.3k 55% 55% 73%Elevated 195 195 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 5.6%Flat Texas 😷 53%Increasing 3.9k5.9k 40% 40% 81%Constrained 204 204 Extremely DifficultResource intensive 7.5%Decreasing Utah 94%Increasing 5201k 24% 24% 62%Normal 314 314 UnlikelyPositivity high 12.7%Increasing Vermont 😷 Low case count 74 80% 80% 67%Normal 6 6 PossiblePositivity low 0.5%Decreasing Virginia -23%Decreasing 1k779 71% 71% 70%Normal 91 91 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 4.2%Decreasing Washington 😷 15%Increasing 461532 82% 82% 71%Elevated 70 70 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 3.7%Increasing West Virginia 2%Flat 188192 76% 76% 73%Elevated 107 107 DifficultPositivity makes it challenging 4.0%Decreasing Wisconsin 69%Increasing 1.3k2.2k 16% 16% 55%Normal 383 383 UnlikelyPositivity high 18.7%Increasing Wyoming 142%Increasing 48116 22% 22% 27%Normal 200 200 UnlikelyPositivity high 13.5%Increasing Notes: If a 😷 is next to a state it indicates a state-wide mandated mask policy for indoor AND outdoor settings. For detailed definitions see: https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/definitions-and-criteria Table: covidexitstrategy.org Source: Multiple Sources (NYT, COVID Tracking Project, rt.live, ILI, CDC) Edited September 29, 2020 by Reacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 Interesting take on how states reopening effect their unemployment rate and economic growth- "Economic recovery is going to require states to push ahead with reopening in a responsible manner. Take New York and California. Daily new cases are down roughly 92% and 66%, respectively, from the peak in these states. Deaths are down, 99% and 40%, respectively as well. Yet both still have some of the nation’s strictest pandemic-related restrictions in place. This, in turn, has held back their economic recoveries. According to August data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, New York and California had unemployment rates of 12.5% and 11.4%, respectively, while the unemployment rate for the US excluding these two states was only 7.7%. If New York and California mirrored the nation’s unemployment rate, the result would be an additional 1.2 million Americans employed. New York and California combined have 18% of the US population, but 32% of all people receiving continuing unemployment benefits. Just this past week, Florida (7.4% unemployment) and Indiana (6.4%) have fully opened their economies. These states, among many others, had lower unemployment than the national average, mainly because their shutdowns were less draconian." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: My partners just got tired of the pandemic — and declining associate billables.... — so the shareholder vote was we re-open on October 5. We’re staggering work days, an A and B schedule, for staff who are not in offices and sit close to other staff, but otherwise we’re returning to the office. Time to get used to commuting again — ugh. Houston actually sounds somewhat similar to what you’re experiencing. In public, outside, people aren’t wearing masks, but inside they mostly are, though in restaurants once seated they take off their masks (which, to me, defeats the purpose, but well they’re there to eat). I continue to think we’ll see a gradual return to more normalcy, but that has to be tempered with continuing social distancing, mask wearing, etc. while the Virus remains here and active. I can see us doing what you are doing at some point - staggered schedules. Like you, not excited about commuting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Reacher said: Interesting take on how states reopening effect their unemployment rate and economic growth- "Economic recovery is going to require states to push ahead with reopening in a responsible manner. Take New York and California. Daily new cases are down roughly 92% and 66%, respectively, from the peak in these states. Deaths are down, 99% and 40%, respectively as well. Yet both still have some of the nation’s strictest pandemic-related restrictions in place. This, in turn, has held back their economic recoveries. According to August data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, New York and California had unemployment rates of 12.5% and 11.4%, respectively, while the unemployment rate for the US excluding these two states was only 7.7%. If New York and California mirrored the nation’s unemployment rate, the result would be an additional 1.2 million Americans employed. New York and California combined have 18% of the US population, but 32% of all people receiving continuing unemployment benefits. Just this past week, Florida (7.4% unemployment) and Indiana (6.4%) have fully opened their economies. These states, among many others, had lower unemployment than the national average, mainly because their shutdowns were less draconian." This is interesting and it reminds me of something that I always try to keep in my head when I'm talking to people about COVID-19. Not directed at you Reacher, but your post reminded me of it. If you were not here in NYC in March and April, you literally have NO concept about how bad things were or could be - soaring daily death counts, 24/7 sirens, no one outside of their house. The fear and paranoia were palpable. This was all so new and it felt like a wave of death/infection washing over us. It felt like the virus was lurking everywhere. Conversely, and this is what I have to remind myself a lot on here, if you lived in an area with no deaths, very low infections, and still had significant shutdowns, it's probably natural to think of this as a huge over-reaction. The differences in our experiences are vast and obviously are thoughts about it are different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 17 hours ago, Lostin76 said: Good for them to relocate, the PNW is just freaking beautiful and it won't beat you down the way NYC can. I totally get their decision. It's very mixed these days. There's a good number of people who left in March and have returned after the end of summer. They don't seem to understand while the rest of us are still so cautious. I just came back from a 20 minute walk to the beer shop and I would say half of the people I saw weren't really wearing masks - just chin straps. That's definitely differnt in the last few weeks. I do feel like we've (my wife and I) returned to some sense of normalcy. We've been getting out for long walks in the mornings and sidewalk dining every weekend. All of our local places (that havent' shuttered for good) are pretty much open with limited numbers of people let inside (usually 5-7). People are used to waiting in lines here, so not that big of a deal. The big avenue by our place is now closed on the weekends to traffic, so it's like 6 lanes of people partying and hanging out on socially distanced blankets. All of the restaurants have set up tables in the middle of the street and seem to be doing good business - though not pre-pandemic levels. Last night, we were walking home and came upon dueling marching bands entertaining the crowds of people. That was pretty cool. We still aren't taking public transportation or working in the office. Our department isn't going back to the office this fall and most likely not this winter. The only major issue is traffic. SO many people have now purchased cars, so it takes almost longer to drive somewhere than walk. And if you give up your parking space during the week, it takes at least an hour to find another on your return home. @Reacher promised me that the real estate prices were going to be coming down, but it looks like everyone is moving to Brooklyn! We are willing to be patient and are happy in our current rental though. We have friends who just moved here from CA and they are looking to buy a place upstate. Every time they find someplace interesting, it's already sold for all cash and usually over the asking price. Lots of rich a**holes in Manhattan are buying apparently. Thanks for the report. I am concerned about this winter. I feel like we can afford to be a little complacent with social activities right now because they can be held outside: BBQ's, outside dining, exercising, etc. A big part to why March and April were so bad, beside the obvious lockdowns and fear of not knowing what we were dealing with, was the cold gloomy weather and not being able to spend time outside. I've never watched so much Netflix in my life. I'm really crossing my fingers that we can keep the case numbers down this winter. Either way, I fear it's probably going to be a long and boring winter....and I'm dreading it. I just don't want it to be worse that what I'm already expecting. I just urge everybody, whether you think this thing is over-hyped or not, to be responsible and cautious. I think our beliefs, whatever they may be, are not going to affect policy in the short run. Right now, case numbers are, and have been, the biggest influencers of policy. I think we need to be of the mindset that we don't want to give the 'powers that be' an excuse to further limit what is already limited by doing our very best to keep those case numbers as low as possible. I don't want high case numbers to be an excuse to lock me in my house again. I don't want high case numbers to give my school district an excuse to stop having school. I don't want high case numbers to give the NCAA an excuse to cancel basketball. I want to be posting on game threads in December, damnit! Man, that will do wonders for my sanity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: I guess it depends on where you are. Its over where I live but it never began. China virus shut my wife's business for 3 months but we did ok. Dont know anyone that has been sick. People should live life like normal and go on. Quit being scared. What are people afraid of, getting sick? Whatever. Besides myself I knew 3 other people who has had the virus. I just don't understand why people make it so difficult to wear a mask. It is not a big deal to wear it and it can help others out. People havde to realize it is just not about yourself but it is for others as well and if people were not so selfish they would realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, tdhoosier said: Thanks for the report. I am concerned about this winter. I feel like we can afford to be a little complacent with social activities right now because they can be held outside: BBQ's, outside dining, exercising, etc. A big part to why March and April were so bad, beside the obvious lockdowns and fear of not knowing what we were dealing with, was the cold gloomy weather and not being able to spend time outside. I've never watched so much Netflix in my life. I'm really crossing my fingers that we can keep the case numbers down this winter. Either way, I fear it's probably going to be a long and boring winter....and I'm dreading it. I just don't want it to be worse that what I'm already expecting. I just urge everybody, whether you think this thing is over-hyped or not, to be responsible and cautious. I think our beliefs, whatever they may be, are not going to affect policy in the short run. Right now, case numbers are, and have been, the biggest influencers of policy. I think we need to be of the mindset that we don't want to give the 'powers that be' an excuse to further limit what is already limited by doing our very best to keep those case numbers as low as possible. I don't want high case numbers to be an excuse to lock me in my house again. I don't want high case numbers to give my school district an excuse to stop having school. I don't want high case numbers to give the NCAA an excuse to cancel basketball. I want to be posting on game threads in December, damnit! Man, that will do wonders for my sanity. This is what irritates me so much. Using case numbers as the metric for policy decisions. What age group do most of these cases fall in is what I want to know. The median age went from 54 in Feb-April to 39 June - Aug according to a CDC report. Cases really dont tell us anything. Heck a case could be 2-3 months old and no longer at risk of spreading. Where did all the talk about hospitalizations and deaths go? I guess those numbers aren't high enough now. Luckily for me I'm a cold weather guy so in winters I'm outside. And yes, we need some games to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Besides myself I knew 3 other people who has had the virus. I just don't understand why people make it so difficult to wear a mask. It is not a big deal to wear it and it can help others out. People havde to realize it is just not about yourself but it is for others as well and if people were not so selfish they would realize that. I've not been against precautions. By all means let's take them. But I remember them saying if we took those precautions then we could live relatively normally. I just want people making decisions to be consistent. It's been 2 more weeks for 6 months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: I've not been against precautions. By all means let's take them. But I remember them saying if we took those precautions then we could live relatively normally. I just want people making decisions to be consistent. It's been 2 more weeks for 6 months now. I understand the frustrations because this has hit me hard by getting the virus and losing my job due to the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: This is what irritates me so much. Using case numbers as the metric for policy decisions. What age group do most of these cases fall in is what I want to know. The median age went from 54 in Feb-April to 39 June - Aug according to a CDC report. Cases really dont tell us anything. Heck a case could be 2-3 months old and no longer at risk of spreading. Where did all the talk about hospitalizations and deaths go? I guess those numbers aren't high enough now. Luckily for me I'm a cold weather guy so in winters I'm outside. And yes, we need some games to talk about. Perfect example of while we can disagree on this point in general, it ultimately doesn't matter what we think. Our recent history will be a pretty accurate indicator of how future policy decisions will be made. And while I thank you for taking necessary precautions, my fear is that people not as tolerant as yourself may be doing long term damage (in the form of more aggressive restrictions) in exchange for the short term feeling of freedom, defiance or pleasure. They're only going to make themselves madder with these acts of defiance. And they aren't only doing it to themselves, but everybody else too. People who disagree AND agree with them. I think this is what @IU Scott is getting at when he refers to others' selfishness. So let's debate this, but let's debate it while keeping the case count low. I hope my overall point is taken as an effort to silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm all for mask wearing and social distancing. It bothers me that some of our leaders (both parties) don't think it's necessary. Ultimately, we need to get past this. We need schools and businesses to fully reopen. This can be done safely. We need a vaccine and or herd immunity. People's (and companies) behaviors and lifestyles have changed drastically over these last 6 months. Some of it will be permanent. The sooner we return to normalcy, the sooner people will return to work and the illnesses / deaths from other mental and physical ailments can start trending back down. The states that choose not to will be sacrificing their future as people and businesses (and their tax $) will move to where they will be treated more fairly- which we have already been seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 New York Times article on Sweden's current success as the rest of Europe relapses. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vilified-early-over-lax-virus-strategy-sweden-seems-to-have-scourge-controlled/ar-BB19xtbp?ocid=msedgntp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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