FritzIam4IU Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Jay Glazer is reporting that the Bears did their homework but never made an offer for Wentz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I am hoping that a change in scenery will help Wentz get back to his old self. From 2017-19 he was a top 12 QB so hopefully he gets back to that play. I hope he can resurrect his career like Taneyhill did when he got traded to the Titans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I am hoping that a change in scenery will help Wentz get back to his old self. From 2017-19 he was a top 12 QB so hopefully he gets back to that play. I hope he can resurrect his career like Taneyhill did when he got traded to the Titans I think he was better than top 12. But yes, I agree. He had top 3 WRs, top 2 TEs, best two OL, and best RB out for portions/majority of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Good move for all parties, including the Bears. Eagles got solid compensation. Colts match Reich with Wentz and he will probably be less scattershot. Colts also didn’t have many more options. I assume if Wentz plays most of the games, that number two transforms into a number one. Bears are happy because Wentz isn’t the right fit there. They don’t have Reich to help straighten him out. The market place figured out the optimal solution. Maybe they look at Mac Jones. Washington may also be on him. If I were the Eagles, I would trade up and get a big time QB. I saw a ton of Hurts in college. He played well last year but that’s not going to be sustainable. They can easily make a move up for Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: Jay Glazer is reporting that the Bears did their homework but never made an offer for Wentz. McCaskeys: "Will he take $15 an hour?" Agent: "Hell no!" McCaskeys: "Pass" 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I think this was a great trade. Gave up very little for a former #2. I know how last year was but a change of scenery, a good line and good run game. Now go get Alan Robinson draft a left tackle and edge rusher and the Colts will be in business. A big factor now is that teams will not longer be able to ignore passes outside the numbers and deep balls. How many bigger holes and running lanes without having the box stacked like it was against Rivers, do you think Taylor is going to have. I am very happy with this move. Now you can use 21 to get that left tackle or maybe package it to go get a big time play maker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: I like the trade, hopefully Reich knows what he is doing I think Reich has shown what he can do with most QB's. Not much downside and the upside is high as Stafford/Goff's for pennies on the dollar. Beautiful trade in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, FritzIam4IU said: Yep...looks like low risk/high reward deal for Colts. As a Bears fan, I'm not worried...I'm sure Pace will find us a great QB at a fair price. I have no clue what the plan is....and right now it sounds like the wedge between Bears and Robinson is as big as it's ever been. Way to go Pace! As well as Philips/McCaskeys,etc... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 44 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Good move for all parties, including the Bears. Eagles got solid compensation. Colts match Reich with Wentz and he will probably be less scattershot. Colts also didn’t have many more options. I assume if Wentz plays most of the games, that number two transforms into a number one. Bears are happy because Wentz isn’t the right fit there. They don’t have Reich to help straighten him out. The market place figured out the optimal solution. Maybe they look at Mac Jones. Washington may also be on him. If I were the Eagles, I would trade up and get a big time QB. I saw a ton of Hurts in college. He played well last year but that’s not going to be sustainable. They can easily make a move up for Wilson. I'm going to be a broken record until draft night....but if Mac Jones is there for the Bears. You grab him. I think he's going to be a phenomenal pro. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: Good move for all parties, including the Bears. Eagles got solid compensation. Colts match Reich with Wentz and he will probably be less scattershot. Colts also didn’t have many more options. I assume if Wentz plays most of the games, that number two transforms into a number one. Bears are happy because Wentz isn’t the right fit there. They don’t have Reich to help straighten him out. The market place figured out the optimal solution. Maybe they look at Mac Jones. Washington may also be on him. If I were the Eagles, I would trade up and get a big time QB. I saw a ton of Hurts in college. He played well last year but that’s not going to be sustainable. They can easily make a move up for Wilson. Agree on Hurts, and he wasn't really even that good last year...he just wasn't Wentz. He went 1-3 with the win coming at home against the Saints without Drew Brees. His completion percentage was 52% and he threw 6 TD's to 4 INT's. I completely understand he didn't have an offseason and training camp to prepare to be the starter and you can't judge a rookie in 4-5 games. That's why if I was the Eagles I would have kept Wentz and tried to trade Hurts. Hurts has some value because of the unknown and being just a 2nd year player. They probably could have gotten a 2nd or 3rd for him. Then in the draft you stock up on offensive lineup and defense (they took a bunch of WR last year), let the new coach rehabilitate Wentz and go from there. But, I guess that's not happening. As an Eagles fan I'm not too excited about heading into next season with Hurts and Nate Sudfeld as our QB's. I was hoping to not have to take a QB with #6 but it's looking like that would make the most sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, BGleas said: But, I guess that's not happening. As an Eagles fan I'm not too excited about heading into next season with Hurts and Nate Sudfeld as our QB's. I was hoping to not have to take a QB with #6 but it's looking like that would make the most sense. Hey now. Let's not dis on Nate Sudfeld. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I’d almost guarantee that Ballard finds a way to trade down this year and next year in the draft to get those picks back. Maybe not the first next year but he’ll find a way to get some picks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 No way am I saying what a new organization with competence and an outstanding Oline can do for a QB....but I do remember a guy named Brees getting a 2nd chance when the Chargers thought he was done. Time will tell on Wentz but for what the Colts gave up....that was a no brainer trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Well I guess that answers the Colts QB questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Seeking6 said: I'm going to be a broken record until draft night....but if Mac Jones is there for the Bears. You grab him. I think he's going to be a phenomenal pro. If the Bears can't swing a deal for someone like Carr for a fair price (who some say Raiders are open to trading)...then I think you have to get Mac Jones and develop him. The Bears have too many needs and can't afford to give up a ton of picks to move up to top 5 in draft. Maybe pick up Fitzpatrick for a cheap one year deal to help mentor him until he is ready. My fear is that Pace and Nagy are firmly on the hot seat and probably need to have a good year to stay in Chicago, so they will overpay again for some mediocre at best QB and the Bears will have another 8-8/9-7 type season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: If the Bears can't swing a deal for someone like Carr for a fair price (who some say Raiders are open to trading)...then I think you have to get Mac Jones and develop him. The Bears have too many needs and can't afford to give up a ton of picks to move up to top 5 in draft. Maybe pick up Fitzpatrick for a cheap one year deal to help mentor him until he is ready. My fear is that Pace and Nagy are firmly on the hot seat and probably need to have a good year to stay in Chicago, so they will overpay again for some mediocre at best QB and the Bears will have another 8-8/9-7 type season. Just got off the phone with a buddy and you basically summed up our conversation to a T. Draft Jones, get Fitzpatrick and start over. Problem is Packers are going to lose at least 4 starters, Lions suck, and Vikings are basically what we are.....I bring that up because the division is up for grabs behind 12. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I know that most people don't like Fitzmagic, but over the past 3 years he is in the top 5 in QBR, completion % and yards. Not bad for a guy that no one seems to want. Heard those stats on radio so don't blast if incorrect. IDK if you blast actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, BGleas said: Agree on Hurts, and he wasn't really even that good last year...he just wasn't Wentz. He went 1-3 with the win coming at home against the Saints without Drew Brees. His completion percentage was 52% and he threw 6 TD's to 4 INT's. I completely understand he didn't have an offseason and training camp to prepare to be the starter and you can't judge a rookie in 4-5 games. That's why if I was the Eagles I would have kept Wentz and tried to trade Hurts. Hurts has some value because of the unknown and being just a 2nd year player. They probably could have gotten a 2nd or 3rd for him. Then in the draft you stock up on offensive lineup and defense (they took a bunch of WR last year), let the new coach rehabilitate Wentz and go from there. But, I guess that's not happening. As an Eagles fan I'm not too excited about heading into next season with Hurts and Nate Sudfeld as our QB's. I was hoping to not have to take a QB with #6 but it's looking like that would make the most sense. A reminder that Hurts put up better numbers at Oklahoma than the previous 2 Heisman winners. Murray has super elite speed and was a 1st round MLB draft pick so he clearly has a gun. Mayfield has become an effective game manager. I see no reason why Hurts can't become as effective if he is surrounded by talent. It's not fair to say well Wentz was garbage because he didn't have all his receivers, tight ends, o line and running back but Hurts was supposed to come in and save the team by himself with the same fractured roster? Hurts has to be cheap right now and with that salary cap Eagles are facing, why would they not roll with him until the money frees up, work the draft a few years and rebuild. It's clearly a rebuild not a reload. Imo Edited February 19, 2021 by NotIThatLives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said: A reminder that Hurts put up better numbers at Oklahoma than the previous 2 Heisman winners. Murray has super elite speed and was a 1st round MLB draft pick so he clearly has a gun. Mayfield has become an effective game manager. I see no reason why Hurts can't become as effective if he is surrounded by talent. It's not fair to say well Wentz was garbage because he didn't have all his receivers, tight ends, o line and running back but Hurts was supposed to come in and save the team by himself with the same fractured roster? Hurts has to be cheap right now and with that salary cap Eagles are facing, why would they not roll with him until the money frees up, work the draft a few years and rebuild. It's clearly a rebuild not a reload. Imo Where does Sam Bradford fit into all this mumbo jumbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, rico said: Where does Sam Bradford fit into all this mumbo jumbo? He doesn't. Different coach, different era, different style, nowhere the skill set of the other 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, NotIThatLives said: He doesn't. Different coach, different era, different style, nowhere the skill set of the other 3. Meh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, rico said: Meh Translation= yeah true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, NotIThatLives said: Translation= yeah true Translation=put the pipe down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, FritzIam4IU said: If the Bears can't swing a deal for someone like Carr for a fair price (who some say Raiders are open to trading)...then I think you have to get Mac Jones and develop him. The Bears have too many needs and can't afford to give up a ton of picks to move up to top 5 in draft. Maybe pick up Fitzpatrick for a cheap one year deal to help mentor him until he is ready. My fear is that Pace and Nagy are firmly on the hot seat and probably need to have a good year to stay in Chicago, so they will overpay again for some mediocre at best QB and the Bears will have another 8-8/9-7 type season. I heard the Colts called the Raiders about Carr and was told they are not trading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Colts Inquired About Trade For Derek Carr Before Carson Wentz Deal | NFLTradeRumors.co 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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