IUFLA Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, btownqb said: Ok. I don't know what you're trying to prove. TJD is in probably the best spot possible. And again, thats what we should be celebrating. Not looking for a charity pick to the hometown team to appease a few fans. I'm not trying to "prove" anything... Just don't be disingenuous when trying to discuss something... I understand the argument about depth and need, but there's also an argument to be made about best player available/potentially bigger upside... And even if you take IU bias out of that equation, it certainly is a debate that can be had Edited June 23, 2023 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: His biological father, not his dad. Dale didn’t even show up for him on senior night and he chose to take his dads last name. As savy as Ray is... and being a pro athlete himself, I also don't think it's out of the question that maybe TJD told certain teams not to draft him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 Speaking of bigs...Sanogo from UConn, Tshiebwe from Kentucky, Timme from Gonzaga all went undrafted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 JHS and TJD landed well in my opinion. Both now playing for a couple of top tier, super competitive clubs and along side some of the very best. I would have liked to see Trace go earlier based on my personal respect for him but he may not have landed as well as he did in the end. Have a great Friday everyone! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 55 minutes ago, IUFLA said: It's not about IU per se as it is about the fanbase...as I said, I can see the point... It's a moot point now, though... But Wong will forever be measured against TJD in future message board discussions... And to be honest, the one I thought the Pacers really got wrong was picking Jalen Pickett over Seth Lundy... I'm not up on what the Pacers' needs are, but Lundy seems to be more of an NBA fit than Pickett does... but there’s really not the overlap. I don’t know a single Pacers fan that is upset about it. Now there are IU fans that like basketball and casually follow the Pacers because it’s the local NBA team, but those fans are fairweather. @5fouls can cry all he wants, he wasn’t driving up from Louisville to see more than one game with TJD and he still will do it when GSW is here. The Pacers need to be good to bring in fans consistently, the TJD effect for the bottom line would be incredibly short lived when he sits on the bench behind more promising young guys. He went to a perfect situation for him to utilize his skills. Any TJD fan should be thrilled, it’s incredibly be selfish to pout that he got what is best for him because you can’t see him locally. That’s not rooting for or loving the kid, it’s selfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I said I understand the point... I didn't say I necessarily agreed with it... I don't watch the NBA enough to know the nuances... A big part of Pickett's game was backing people down and using his strength... I don't see him doing that in the NBA... Lundy is a better outside shooter and defender... And if you don't think down the road Wong/TJD career comparisons are inevitable for IU or Pacer fan forums, I don't know what to tell you... The Pacers didn’t draft Pickett… Edited June 23, 2023 by KoB2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 8 hours ago, 5fouls said: I find it curious that a Top 3 organization in the league recognizes your value, but your hometown team, the one your dad played for, doesnt. If TJD flourishes and the Pacers flounder, Pritchard will have lost the fan base. You think most Pacer fans are IU fans? I’ve found that most don’t even follow college basketball and a majority didn’t go to college. the rest it’s pretty evenly split between IU/PU. I don’t think many care if we pass on an IU guy unless it was a position of need. (See OG a few years ago and we took Leaf). I don’t hate them for not taking him. He wasn’t a position of need and he is a pretty known commodity that likely doesn’t have a lot of room for growth. Pacers didn’t need guys that can step in and contribute right away. GS and they are on different time lines..not to mention GS needs the length and athleticism. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Look, I am beyond thrilled that TJD landed in GS. Perfect fit for him. And, the Warriors clearly dont see him as a long shot given the reported contract offer. But, if I'm TJD, I feel disrespected as hell right now, and more so against teams that had multiple mid to late 2nd round picks. Good organizations use 2nd round picks to improve their team. Bad organizations use them on the 1 in a thousand dart throws. Time will tell who made the correct pick, but my money is heavily on Golden State. Great point. So dumb when organizations like the Nuggets throw second round picks away on projects and foreign players. They should take role players at positions they don’t need. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Didn’t Dale play for GS? Seems Trayce was a hometown pick anyways. This discussion seems silly. Excited for him to be in a great organization and a really good shot to succeed if he puts in the work. Edited June 23, 2023 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Chad Buchanan just said that TJD and his representation didn’t want the Pacers to pick him due to their roster. The Pacers loved TJD but it wasn’t a good fit with 4 centers already on the roster. You can all stop blaming the Pacers for not picking him now. Edited June 23, 2023 by DC2345 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: but there’s really not the overlap. I don’t know a single Pacers fan that is upset about it. Now there are IU fans that like basketball and casually follow the Pacers because it’s the local NBA team, but those fans are fairweather. @5fouls can cry all he wants, he wasn’t driving up from Louisville to see more than one game with TJD and he still will do it when GSW is here. The Pacers need to be good to bring in fans consistently, the TJD effect for the bottom line would be incredibly short lived when he sits on the bench behind more promising young guys. He went to a perfect situation for him to utilize his skills. Any TJD fan should be thrilled, it’s incredibly be selfish to pout that he got what is best for him because you can’t see him locally. That’s not rooting for or loving the kid, it’s selfish. You need to read my post more closely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: The Pacers didn’t draft Pickett… I've grasped that... Whoever drafted Pickett I don't think he'll be as good of an NBA player as Lundy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Chad Buchanan just said that TJD and his representation didn’t want the Pacers to pick him due to their roster. The Pacers loved TJD but it wasn’t a good fit with 4 centers already on the roster. You can all stop blaming the Pacers for not picking him now. So a GM gets on the air morning after draft to explain their side of things to appease the locals?? That's a weak move...oh well. Pacers will be drafting in the lottery again next year and JHS/TJD are with 2 great organizations. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, dgambill said: and he is a pretty known commodity that likely doesn’t have a lot of room for growth. And, here is the gist of it all. I apparently believe in TJD more than most. Edited June 23, 2023 by 5fouls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: So a GM gets on the air morning after draft to explain their side of things to appease the locals?? That's a weak move...oh well. Pacers will be drafting in the lottery again next year and JHS/TJD are with 2 great organizations. That's your takeaway? Day after draft local media hits are SOP in the NBA. This wasn't some strategic "appease the locals" plant interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: So a GM gets on the air morning after draft to explain their side of things to appease the locals?? That's a weak move...oh well. Pacers will be drafting in the lottery again next year and JHS/TJD are with 2 great organizations. He was asked a question and gave an honest answer about the situation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BGleas said: That's your takeaway? Day after draft local media hits are SOP in the NBA. This wasn't some strategic "appease the locals" plant interview. Talking about why you picked who you did is common, not about why you did not pick someone else. I wonder if he explained why they made the 2nd round picks they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, BGleas said: That's your takeaway? Day after draft local media hits are SOP in the NBA. This wasn't some strategic "appease the locals" plant interview. Yes...that's my takeaway. The answer should have been he's a fine player we just had others better suited for us and what we're doing. The "they didn't want us" reply is weak..... 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: I can't believe there'd ever be much discussion past this month about to players picked 55+.... so I think you're way off there. Pickett can for sure get buckets on a 2nd unit. I don't think Lundy will guard wings as effectively as Pickett can guard back up points. But again, that wasn't the Pacers pick. I think we have the answer to why the Pacers didn't draft TJD. The Pacers GM was in our local sports talk show. They brought up not drafting THD and he said he loved Trace and his game. He said that there wasn't a fit but would love to have him on the Pacers. He said sometimes the feeling needs to be mutual and said the Trace and his representatives didn't want the Pacers to draft him because of the roster makeup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 As @5fouls said, describing Trayce Jackson-Davis as a "charity pick" is an insult... As I said...Take the IU bias out of it (and the fact that he was a legend for IU which is simply the cherry on the sundae, not the whole sundae itself) and there can still be a conversation about who has the most potential, and, who the Pacers should have picked... You can talk about "need" and "depth" all you want, but I'm more interested in difference makers...And I think TJD will be one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Talking about why you picked who you did is common, not about why you did not pick someone else. I wonder if he explained why they made the 2nd round picks they did. I'm sure he was asked about each player they chose and I'm sure he gave answers as to why they drafted those guys. I'm sure he was asked about TJD and he gave the explanation for what happened. The explanation makes 100% perfect sense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 As somebody who doesn't care about the Pacers, both of our guys landed in situations that appear to be good for them. I'm not sure GS could be more perfect for TJD. Lakers are great for JHS - they have developed some great guards. I can't believe the Pacers could give either a better opportunity, long term. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, IUFLA said: As @5fouls said, describing Trayce Jackson-Davis as a "charity pick" is an insult... As I said...Take the IU bias out of it (and the fact that he was a legend for IU which is simply the cherry on the sundae, not the whole sundae itself) and there can still be a conversation about who has the most potential, and, who the Pacers should have picked... You can talk about "need" and "depth" all you want, but I'm more interested in difference makers...And I think TJD will be one... You can't remove the IU bias though, it's blatant in this conversation. If TJD had gone to MSU instead of IU, nobody in this thread would be mad at the Pacers for passing on him with a very late 2nd round pick. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BGleas said: I'm sure he was asked about each player they chose and I'm sure he gave answers as to why they drafted those guys. I'm sure he was asked about TJD and he gave the explanation for what happened. The explanation makes 100% perfect sense. People just want to complain. It’s that simple 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 23, 2023 Report Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: I can't believe the Pacers could give either a better opportunity, long term. I agree with this, because the Pacers have proven over time not to be a Championship level organization. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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