5fouls Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, rico said: Since Rick is back in Indy...maybe we can wheel and deal with the Mavs? Maybe we got some pieces they can use around Luka? So, you're already giving up on the Pacers acquiring Luka? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: So, you're already giving up on the Pacers acquiring Luka? Lets just say I ain't betting the farm on him being in a P's uniform... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: Basic facts about Larry Bird Didn't Bird get rid of a coach because he had been there too long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, rico said: Lets just say I ain't betting the farm on him being in a P's uniform... I would if the farm was on a half acre plat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, jefftheref said: I would if the farm was on a half acre plat. Nah...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 6 hours ago, cybergates said: Pacers bring back Carlisle Imo that is a really good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Don't see much downside in hiring one of the best coaches in the NBA. Of course I'm not sure what to do with this roster because one thing is pretty certain. Pacers have fired two coaches the last 2 seasons. That's an organizational issue. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) This is a good tweet by Reggie. Maybe some of the Pacer players need to look at themselves in the mirror. I could see anyone of Turner, Brogdon or Sabonis traded, or maybe all three. Sabonis is a really good player but I just don't think he is a player you can build a strong team around. Edited June 24, 2021 by Hoosier51 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hoosier51 said: This is a good tweet by Reggie. Maybe some of the Pacer players need to look at themselves in the mirror. I could see anyone of Turner, Brogdon or Sabonis traded, or maybe all three. Sabonis is a really good player but I just don't think he is a player you can build a strong team around. Amen to this and glad Reggie shot this out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, jefftheref said: Didn't Bird get rid of a coach because he had been there too long? That was another one of his stupid rules. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Hoosier51 said: This is a good tweet by Reggie. Maybe some of the Pacer players need to look at themselves in the mirror. I could see anyone of Turner, Brogdon or Sabonis traded, or maybe all three. Sabonis is a really good player but I just don't think he is a player you can build a strong team around. He is a good second best player on a contender IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: He is a good second best player on a contender IMO. Yeah I would say you are right about this. He is more a Robin then a Batman, which is still pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: So, you're already giving up on the Pacers acquiring Luka? I would. The scuttle is Rick grew tired of dealing with Luka and that he isn’t easy to coach…don’t think he wants any part of a reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Listening to the radio it appeared some of the players didn't like how Sabonis didn't move the ball. When he got the ball it kind of stuck in his hands touch and slowed the offense down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, dgambill said: I would. The scuttle is Rick grew tired of dealing with Luka and that he isn’t easy to coach…don’t think he wants any part of a reunion. From my time watching the Mavs, I would be pretty cautious wanting to coach Luka. He's very ball dominant, a bit of a diva on the court, and I'm honestly not sure how much better he makes others. He's still very young and on his way to a Hall of Fame career and will likely win at least one title, I'm just saying despite being perhaps the most talented of the young stars in the league I'm not sure that he'd be the first one I would pick for my team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, KoB2011 said: From my time watching the Mavs, I would be pretty cautious wanting to coach Luka. He's very ball dominant, a bit of a diva on the court, and I'm honestly not sure how much better he makes others. He's still very young and on his way to a Hall of Fame career and will likely win at least one title, I'm just saying despite being perhaps the most talented of the young stars in the league I'm not sure that he'd be the first one I would pick for my team. Just things are slowly starting to leak out in Dallas…the changes make sense. Apparently he is like you said very arrogant and doesn’t listen..rolls his eyes when coached and basically I think things are starting to add up with Carlisle and Nelson leaving and Carlisle saying he thinks Kidd might be a better fit as a coach (he also gave Carlisle some issues but obviously they worked through it). Add in the Porzingis stuff and we’ll it seems he isn’t the most easy superstar to work with. Edited June 25, 2021 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 hours ago, dgambill said: Just things are slowly starting to leak out in Dallas…the changes make sense. Apparently he is like you said very arrogant and doesn’t listen..rolls his eyes when coached and basically I think things are starting to add up with Carlisle and Nelson leaving and Carlisle saying he thinks Kidd might be a better fit as a coach (he also gave Carlisle some issues but obviously they worked through it). Add in the Porzingis stuff and we’ll it seems he isn’t the most easy superstar to work with. Luka is extremely nice to the fans off the court(met him a few times since he's entered the league when they play the Pacers), however, on the court is a different story. I agree with you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 June 24th, 2021 at 12:24pm CST by Luke Adams In the wake of reports that he has been hired to coach the Pacers, Rick Carlisle offered the following quote to Tim MacMahon of ESPN (Twitter link😞 “It’s a team of skilled, unselfish guys that play hard. It’s always possible that moves could be made before the season, but I think (president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard) and I are both very excited about getting the roster healthy and seeing what this team can be.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, rico said: June 24th, 2021 at 12:24pm CST by Luke Adams In the wake of reports that he has been hired to coach the Pacers, Rick Carlisle offered the following quote to Tim MacMahon of ESPN (Twitter link😞 “It’s a team of skilled, unselfish guys that play hard. It’s always possible that moves could be made before the season, but I think (president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard) and I are both very excited about getting the roster healthy and seeing what this team can be.” We shall see....I'm expecting a 5-6 seed and a first round exit if they don't make any serious moves. They will look good in the regular season because they will play plenty of tanking teams and teams that don't play hard every night. Feast on them like the Knicks did...but when it get's time for the playoffs if they still have a flawed roster...it will be lights out. Rinse and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, dgambill said: We shall see....I'm expecting a 5-6 seed and a first round exit if they don't make any serious moves. They will look good in the regular season because they will play plenty of tanking teams and teams that don't play hard every night. Feast on them like the Knicks did...but when it get's time for the playoffs if they still have a flawed roster...it will be lights out. Rinse and repeat. Yeah, we shall see. Out of curiosity I wonder what your reaction will be if the Pacers stay status quo and end up in the ECF? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, rico said: Yeah, we shall see. Out of curiosity I wonder what your reaction will be if the Pacers stay status quo and end up in the ECF? LOL I would be shocked. I'm a Pacer fan...of course I would love it but I just hate the current identity of the team. Maybe Carlisle can change that...not sure. We have a lot of good pieces but they just don't fit well together. The sum doesn't equal the parts. It doesn't feel like the team was built with a cohesive identity or to compliment each other...it was like let's just acquire the best guys we can afford or make moves for the best player we can get...although that player doesn't compliment our other players and his style doesn't fit our other guys etc etc. The team has a lot of good parts I'm not saying they will be bad....but I don't think we match up well against any of the top teams. Atlanta, Mil, Brooklyn, Philly...even Boston. I guess we will find out...but the issue is we will look fine in the regular season and so we won't make a shake up but then the season always comes to an abrupt end once we get to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, dgambill said: I would be shocked. I'm a Pacer fan...of course I would love it but I just hate the current identity of the team. Maybe Carlisle can change that...not sure. We have a lot of good pieces but they just don't fit well together. The sum doesn't equal the parts. It doesn't feel like the team was built with a cohesive identity or to compliment each other...it was like let's just acquire the best guys we can afford or make moves for the best player we can get...although that player doesn't compliment our other players and his style doesn't fit our other guys etc etc. The team has a lot of good parts I'm not saying they will be bad....but I don't think we match up well against any of the top teams. Atlanta, Mil, Brooklyn, Philly...even Boston. I guess we will find out...but the issue is we will look fine in the regular season and so we won't make a shake up but then the season always comes to an abrupt end once we get to the playoffs. I am more inclined to follow what Rick said above. Get healthy, see what the draft gets us, and take it from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, rico said: I am more inclined to follow what Rick said above. Get healthy, see what the draft gets us, and take it from there. I'd like to reload...hang on to a couple pieces like Levert and say Warren...and use Sabonis, Turner, and Brogdon as primary trade pieces to bring in some young players that have shown some flashes and to perhaps add a piece or two in this draft. I really would like to see a young point guard that can push us up tempo. I also would like to get off Sabonis and Turner and solve this center problem once and for all. I'm not talking about tanking for the next 3 years and getting rid of everyone...just retooling...taking a year or two and giving a few young guys a shot to see if they blow up into something. Give us a new trajectory. I don't think what we have is necessarily bad..just it is limited...the ceiling is about there with this team. I think it's too good to think mid season we will make wholesale changes but yet not good enough that we can get into that ECF/Championship contender. In the end we will end up right back at this same point next year. I just don't see a path forward...a vision....wait and see doesn't cut it for me...or at least doesn't excite me. Anyways...it will be interesting to see what we do in the draft....a lot of ways it could go...do we play it safe with the guy that can help the team the most right in this moment or do we look for a piece that isn't ready to help right now but has the upside that maybe they can be something special down the road? Edited June 25, 2021 by dgambill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, dgambill said: I would be shocked. I'm a Pacer fan...of course I would love it but I just hate the current identity of the team. Maybe Carlisle can change that...not sure. We have a lot of good pieces but they just don't fit well together. The sum doesn't equal the parts. It doesn't feel like the team was built with a cohesive identity or to compliment each other...it was like let's just acquire the best guys we can afford or make moves for the best player we can get...although that player doesn't compliment our other players and his style doesn't fit our other guys etc etc. The team has a lot of good parts I'm not saying they will be bad....but I don't think we match up well against any of the top teams. Atlanta, Mil, Brooklyn, Philly...even Boston. I guess we will find out...but the issue is we will look fine in the regular season and so we won't make a shake up but then the season always comes to an abrupt end once we get to the playoffs. How do we really know if they fit because they haven't played together long enough to know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, dgambill said: I'd like to reload...hang on to a couple pieces like Levert and say Warren...and use Sabonis, Turner, and Brogdon as primary trade pieces to bring in some young players that have shown some flashes and to perhaps add a piece or two in this draft. I really would like to see a young point guard that can push us up tempo. I also would like to get off Sabonis and Turner and solve this center problem once and for all. I'm not talking about tanking for the next 3 years and getting rid of everyone...just retooling...taking a year or two and giving a few young guys a shot to see if they blow up into something. Give us a new trajectory. I don't think what we have is necessarily bad..just it is limited...the ceiling is about there with this team. I think it's too good to think mid season we will make wholesale changes but yet not good enough that we can get into that ECF/Championship contender. In the end we will end up right back at this same point next year. I just don't see a path forward...a vision....wait and see doesn't cut it for me...or at least doesn't excite me. Anyways...it will be interesting to see what we do in the draft....a lot of ways it could go...do we play it safe with the guy that can help the team the most right in this moment or do we look for a piece that isn't ready to help right now but has the upside that maybe they can be something special down the road? I'd love to package our pick and either Turner or Sabonis to GSW, then move Warren to the 4, CL to the 3, Brogdon to 2, and draft Davion Mitchell. Edited June 25, 2021 by KoB2011 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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