dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, rico said: The Hawks' season makes this Pacer fan sooooooooooooooooooooo jealous... What makes me jealous is that all our best teams coincided with prime MJ and LBJ. The one that didn't ran into the prime Kobe and Shaq....and the other that SHOULD HAVE the malice in the palace ruined it for us (that might have been our best team ever). Looking at the Eastern landscape the past two years....why oh why couldn't it be now. Edited June 21, 2021 by dgambill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, rico said: https://sportsnaut.com/philadelphia-76ers-rumors-trade-targets/ The guy who wrote that might be the biggest Philadelphia home or ever. There's no way without giving up tons of young players and draft picks that they would ever get Damian Lillard for Ben Simmons. And what how would they get Lonzo ball and Brandon Ingram I'm literally chuckling at this. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, dgambill said: What makes me jealous is that all our best teams coincided with prime MJ and LBJ. The one that didn't ran into the prime Kobe and Shaq....and the other that SHOULD HAVE the malice in the palace ruined it for us (that might have been our best team ever). Looking at the Eastern landscape the past two years....why oh why couldn't it be now. We did have those years when Mike stepped away from the game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: The guy who wrote that might be the biggest Philadelphia home or ever. There's no way without giving up tons of young players and draft picks that they would ever get Damian Lillard for Ben Simmons. And what how would they get Lonzo ball and Brandon Ingram I'm literally chuckling at this. It's not realistic, but even if it was Zion and Simmons would be a terrible duo. While Zion isn't as bad of a shooter as Simmons, it would still basically be two point forwards who can't shoot. Imagine how packed the paint would be against the Pels? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rico said: We did have those years when Mike stepped away from the game? Ahhh...yes 1994...not sure we could beat the Rockets but should have gotten past the Knicks that was as good a shot as any as well. 95 I do think the Magic were just a better team than us and still probably weren't beating Houston but yes those two years we had our shot for sure. Edited June 21, 2021 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, BGleas said: It's not realistic, but even if it was Zion and Simmons would be a terrible duo. While Zion isn't as bad of a shooter as Simmons, it would still basically be two point forwards who can't shoot. Imagine how packed the paint would be against the Pels? Simmons to the Pacers. I am calling it right now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, dgambill said: Ahhh...yes 1994...not sure we could beat the Rockets but should have gotten past the Knicks that was as good a shot as any as well. 95 I do think the Magic were just a better team than us and still probably weren't beating Houston but yes those two years we had our shot for sure. Pretty sure the Hawks knocked us out one of those years. Reggie and the orbital injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: The guy who wrote that might be the biggest Philadelphia home or ever. There's no way without giving up tons of young players and draft picks that they would ever get Damian Lillard for Ben Simmons. And what how would they get Lonzo ball and Brandon Ingram I'm literally chuckling at this. 5 minutes ago, BGleas said: It's not realistic, but even if it was Zion and Simmons would be a terrible duo. While Zion isn't as bad of a shooter as Simmons, it would still basically be two point forwards who can't shoot. Imagine how packed the paint would be against the Pels? I can throw crap at the wall too...but I don't get paid for it lol.... SUCCESS 76ers +2 players ($32.2m), Cap Impact - $803K Jeremy Lamb SG, 6' 5", -0.55 LEBRON Secondary Ball Handler $10.5M 1yr Malcolm Brogdon PG, 6' 5", 1.32 LEBRON Primary Ball Handler $21.7M 2yrs + 0 Wins +23.35 MPG +1.59 Off. -2.99 Def. Pacers +3 players ($50.9m), Cap Impact - $582K Terry Rozier PG, 6' 1", 0.18 LEBRON Primary Ball Handler $17.9M 1yr Ben Simmons PG, 6' 11", 2.17 LEBRON Roll + Cut Big $33.0M 4yrs TO P.J. Washington PF, 6' 7", -0.47 LEBRON Team Option, Stretch Big TE $4.2M 2yrs +1 Wins -19.56 MPG +1.00 Off. -0.47 Def. Team Option P.J. Washington currently has a team option for the Hornets this season. The Hornets may decide to decline their option which would make him an unrestricted free agent. You may accept or decline this option, by default it will be accepted. You may also update his contract to perform actions such as a Sign & Trade. Hornets +2 players ($23.5m), Cap Impact + $1.3M Justin Holiday SG, 6' 6", -1.1 LEBRON Movement Shooter $6.0M 2yrs Myles Turner C, 6' 11", 1.68 LEBRON Stretch Big $17.5M 2yrs -1 Wins -3.79 MPG -2.59 Off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, dgambill said: Ahhh...yes 1994...not sure we could beat the Rockets but should have gotten past the Knicks that was as good a shot as any as well. 95 I do think the Magic were just a better team than us and still probably weren't beating Houston but yes those two years we had our shot for sure. Prior to this year with Atlanta I believe 1994 the Pacers were the last team to make Conf finals with no all stars on the team. It was only the 2nd time I believe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, rico said: Pretty sure the Hawks knocked us out one of those years. Reggie and the orbital injury. We went to back to back ECF...lost to the Knicks in 7 and lost to the Magic in 7. If my memory serves me correct....probably doesn't. Edit looked it up...we lost to Hawks in 95-96. Jordan was fully back that year. Edited June 21, 2021 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, dgambill said: We went to back to back ECF...lost to the Knicks in 7 and lost to the Magic in 7. If my memory serves me correct....probably doesn't. Yeah, you are correct...it was after the back-to-back ECF when we got booted in the 1st round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, rico said: Yeah, you are correct...it was after the back-to-back ECF when we got booted in the 1st round. Yeah...those were the glory years...then we had that other run around 2000-2001 and then the PG Pacers 2012-2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Prior to this year with Atlanta I believe 1994 the Pacers were the last team to make Conf finals with no all stars on the team. It was only the 2nd time I believe Hard to believe Young isn't an all-star. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, dgambill said: Yeah...those were the glory years...then we had that other run around 2000-2001 and then the PG Pacers 2012-2014. You just about got me convinced to blow up the organization....LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Ben Simmons attempted 3 shots in the 4th quarter in a 7 game series....none in the last 4 games....that is not a franchise player...and all nba gms recognize that. Edited June 21, 2021 by dgambill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 18 hours ago, dgambill said: That’s not good…nba avg is like 35%. A good 3pt shooter should shoot above 38% if I’m not mistaken or the analytics say not to shoot. I mean I’d prefer he not be putting up ten per game but for a 4 or 5 33% Is respectable enough that he has to pull a defender to the perimeter and space the floor …if he’s wide open great if not don’t shoot and he’s only putting up 2 per game …..you are correct about the defense though I just worry we have had pretty good luck getting value out of trades and we are due to lay an egg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, dgambill said: Ben Simmons attempted 3 shots in the 4th quarter in a 7 game series....none in the last 4 games....that is not a franchise player...and all nba gms recognize that. That’s staggering ….starting to remind me of Michael cárter Williams who came out as a “ do everything “ Guy and won ROY then ended up a role player Edited June 21, 2021 by IU/Butler/Notre Dame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, dgambill said: Ben Simmons attempted 3 shots in the 4th quarter in a 7 game series....none in the last 4 games....that is not a franchise player...and all nba gms recognize that. There was also a playoff game his rookie year in the second round against the Celtics where he only scored 1 point the entire game and only took 4 shots. I'll grant him he was only a rookie, but Tatum was also a rookie and scored 21 points and Jaylen Brown from Simmons same draft class had 13 in the game. Just highlighting that this isn't new for Simmons and he hasn't improved at all. I think the lack of improvement is the most worrisome part if your the Sixers, as well as coaches letting him get away with not shooting/working on it during the regular season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, dgambill said: What makes me jealous is that all our best teams coincided with prime MJ and LBJ. The one that didn't ran into the prime Kobe and Shaq....and the other that SHOULD HAVE the malice in the palace ruined it for us (that might have been our best team ever). Looking at the Eastern landscape the past two years....why oh why couldn't it be now. Omg…I literally stay up some nights thinking about what you just typed….and don’t forget the teams we had that were very close to the ones you described that had bad series against the knicks or magic ……….without the bulls our hypothetical finals series against the jazz and SuperSonics would have been epic ……I think the rockets would Have bear us in their two years even if we got by New York and Orlando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: Omg…I literally stay up some nights thinking about what you just typed….and don’t forget the teams we had that were very close to the ones you described that had bad series against the knicks or magic ……….without the bulls our hypothetical finals series against the jazz and SuperSonics would have been epic ……I think the rockets would Have bear us in their two years even if we got by New York and Orlando Those Rocket teams are a tad underrated historically. Hakeem was as good as any center has been in the NBA those two years, and I really think if Jordan hadn't left the NBA that Houston still gets one of those titles against Jordan's Bulls. Bill Wennington was not even remotely slowing down Hakeem if the Rockets and Bulls met in the Finals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BGleas said: Those Rocket teams are a tad underrated historically. Hakeem was as good as any center has been in the NBA those two years, and I really think if Jordan hadn't left the NBA that Houston still gets one of those titles against Jordan's Bulls. Bill Wennington was not even remotely slowing down Hakeem if the Rockets and Bulls met in the Finals. I agree and the bulls were also minus horace grant and Sam cassel kenny smith and Robert horrey weren’t outplaying pippen and Jordan but they could have at least kept them busy Edited June 21, 2021 by IU/Butler/Notre Dame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Man I feel bad for ol' Nate.... You know the guy who couldn't win in the playoffs..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BGleas said: Those Rocket teams are a tad underrated historically. Hakeem was as good as any center has been in the NBA those two years, and I really think if Jordan hadn't left the NBA that Houston still gets one of those titles against Jordan's Bulls. Bill Wennington was not even remotely slowing down Hakeem if the Rockets and Bulls met in the Finals. It is very hard to say but I would have loved to watch those finals. I'm just not sure MJ would have let them lose. Kenny Smith trying to guard MJ??? HAHAHAHAHA LOL Then in 94-95 I mean over history look at how Michael just killed....MURDERED Clyde Drexler. Remember 92 finals...35.8pts, 6.5 ast, 4.8 reb, 1.7 steals....I mean wow...and older Clyde...no way no way....now with Olajawon protecting the rim and having Pippen and Jordan attacking getting him in foul trouble... Hard to say but I can't doubt Michael and Scottie...Measured against any non-Bulls team yes...very good underrated champions...very San Antonio-esq ....but there are not many champions that could have faired well against those Bulls during that run. Edited June 21, 2021 by dgambill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, BGleas said: There was also a playoff game his rookie year in the second round against the Celtics where he only scored 1 point the entire game and only took 4 shots. I'll grant him he was only a rookie, but Tatum was also a rookie and scored 21 points and Jaylen Brown from Simmons same draft class had 13 in the game. Just highlighting that this isn't new for Simmons and he hasn't improved at all. I think the lack of improvement is the most worrisome part if your the Sixers, as well as coaches letting him get away with not shooting/working on it during the regular season. Travesty....how in the world did 6ers draft two guys back to back that can't shoot lol...first Simmons, then Fultz...it's like basketball 101. I guess Fultz could shoot in college (41% 3pt shooter) but dang they got two mental studs there didn't they! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, BGleas said: Those Rocket teams are a tad underrated historically. Hakeem was as good as any center has been in the NBA those two years, and I really think if Jordan hadn't left the NBA that Houston still gets one of those titles against Jordan's Bulls. Bill Wennington was not even remotely slowing down Hakeem if the Rockets and Bulls met in the Finals. Meh, now that '83 Sixer team is underrated! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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