rico Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Right, and I remember when he let Carlisle go, it was just odd. Of course Carlisle went on to win a championship in Dallas, and is one of the better coaches in the game. I am on record being disgusted with how Bird handled the P's in the last few years -- I do not think he's "stupid," he's sharp, but I do think his pig-headedness translated into a number of bone-headed and just outright stupid moves. It wasn't just the way he publicly treated PG -- he did the same thing to Hibbert and at a time when the team was trying to trade Hibbert. Why in the world would you publicly call out Hibbert when you're trying to trade him? He basically called Hibbert soft and weak and no longer relevant, while the team was trying to trade him. And as to West -- yes he brought West in, but it was Bird, and his treatment of Hibbert, that made West so angry he left a $12M offer on the table with the P's to join the Spurs for, as I recall, $1M. That was all on Bird. Bird is stubborn. It killed the team in his final years. Bird didn't score any points with me the way he filleted the Pacers. They went from a contender to pretender. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, rico said: Bird didn't score any points with me the way he filleted the Pacers. They went from a contender to pretender. Yeah some of our drafts...ughh. Someone has been clamoring for Jrue Holiday. I think he is starting to show his age now...we wouldn’t be getting the prime Holiday...but we could have drafted him instead of Hansbrough. Trading for Brandon Rush, for George Hill, for Scola instead of keeping the pick and could have taken Draymond Green, Kris Middleton or Jae Crowder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2020/10/02/pacers-coaching-search-round-2-interviews-include-chauncey-billups/5894940002/ Not a great list so far so hopefully some others will be involved. Of these 3 I would take Chauncy Billups because we have 1 former HC who has been fired twice. Another has been an assistant at NO who coach was just fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 hours ago, IU Scott said: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2020/10/02/pacers-coaching-search-round-2-interviews-include-chauncey-billups/5894940002/ Not a great list so far so hopefully some others will be involved. Of these 3 I would take Chauncy Billups because we have 1 former HC who has been fired twice. Another has been an assistant at NO who coach was just fired. Billups could end up being really good just no way to know without taking the plunge. One thing for sure, he’s really well liked and respected by players, and he of course knows how to run a team on the floor at a championship level. Finch is kind of intriguing. He was the D League coach of the year. Knowing how well an assistant will do at the helm is still guesswork, but I’d take both over Joerger and of course the article seems to make him the front runner .... Come on Pacers do something different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 The Lakers have been dominant in the Finals. Heat injuries aside, I thought they matched up well and it would be competitive but boy was I wrong. The Lakers have been impressive; obviously LBJ and AD have been the two best players, but their role players have played well too. They've had no issues slicing through the Heat zone which obviously caused problems for a Celtics team that I think most perceive as being better coached and better shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: The Lakers have been dominant in the Finals. Heat injuries aside, I thought they matched up well and it would be competitive but boy was I wrong. The Lakers have been impressive; obviously LBJ and AD have been the two best players, but their role players have played well too. They've had no issues slicing through the Heat zone which obviously caused problems for a Celtics team that I think most perceive as being better coached and better shooting. Yeah the Lakers caught a good hand. Avoided the Clippers and Kahwi, got an injured Murray and Nuggets, now caught a hot Heat who just lots their best player “Bam” and with an injured Dragic who was playing great. You can only play who is in front of you but it’s not been interesting playoffs to say the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 13 hours ago, dgambill said: Yeah the Lakers caught a good hand. Avoided the Clippers and Kahwi, got an injured Murray and Nuggets, now caught a hot Heat who just lots their best player “Bam” and with an injured Dragic who was playing great. You can only play who is in front of you but it’s not been interesting playoffs to say the least. I'm not sure I could disagree more. I think it's been a really interesting playoffs with a lot of high level basketball. Have the Lakers had some breaks? Sure, depending on how you frame it. Do they look to be right now a worthy champion? Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) On 10/2/2020 at 4:14 PM, IU Scott said: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2020/10/02/pacers-coaching-search-round-2-interviews-include-chauncey-billups/5894940002/ Not a great list so far so hopefully some others will be involved. Of these 3 I would take Chauncy Billups because we have 1 former HC who has been fired twice. Another has been an assistant at NO who coach was just fired. I am a big fan of Chauncey. Watched him in high school at Denver's George Washington high school. Then followed him to the University of Colorado. And of course into the pros. He always was an exceptional player... winning many awards in high school and college. However... the thing that always stood out for me is that he is truly a humble and good guy. Edited October 4, 2020 by milehiiu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATX_sig Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 The Clips struggled to beat Dallas who lost KP and didn't have Powell. Eventually the Mavs just did not have enough fater losing KP. I think the Clips thought they were going to walk through this thing. I don't like the Lakers but I think they were going to roll the Heat injuries or no injuries. Rondo's return has energized their defense especially in the back court. Adebayo is a super star on the rise but Laker are deep. AD, Lebron, Howard and even McGee. The lakers can throw more at him than entire East opponents did. The Lakers best backcourt defender opted out in Avery Bradley. IMO, Miami benefitted just as much in the playoffs with breaks as the Lakers. I hope the Pacers hire Billups. The current team really didn't play together much and it seems there is a lack of cohesion off the court. Nate fired, VO and Turner rumors. Low ball offers. Sabonis out. Billups seems to maybe bring a sense of calm. I think he can be similar to the Suns coach and at least get everyone on the same page. If I'm the Pacers, I don't make big player moves until the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 When I hear the name "Chauncy", I think of Bill Holden(Sefton) in "Stalag 17." I will show myself to the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, rico said: When I hear the name "Chauncy", I think of Bill Holden(Sefton) in "Stalag 17." I will show myself to the door. Great supporting cast...Peter Graves, Robert Strauss, Harvey Lembeck, Otto Preminger, Neville Brand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 14 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I'm not sure I could disagree more. I think it's been a really interesting playoffs with a lot of high level basketball. Have the Lakers had some breaks? Sure, depending on how you frame it. Do they look to be right now a worthy champion? Absolutely. I haven’t watched 1 min of it so I’ll take your word. Most years I would watch all the games but this year I just can’t work up enough care. Ive overlooked a lot the past several years but eventually there was just more than I could stomach. My love for basketball only goes so far and with a young child growing up before my eyes I don’t regret missing a moment of it. I will say the Lakers surprised me. I didn’t think they could win it all with the cast they had...especially the lack of pg. I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Too bad stardom got to Oladipo. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. No one will remember you 🤷♂️🤷♂️ could have been an indy legend. Tougness is lacking, sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 NBA is about as competitive as a 3rd grade basketball league right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, btownqb said: NBA is about as competitive as a 3rd grade basketball league right now. Not a big fan of the NBA game but have watched it more this year than I normally do. Now that football is going on I have not watched many NBA games since the pacers were eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Heat up late in the 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 The NBA must have gotten to the Lakers and tell them they need the series to go longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Heat win...Butler is a stud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Major props to the Hest to win down two starters. I'm not trying to bash PG, but if you put a similar player like Butler into PGs body and skillset, you would have a top 3 player. Edited October 5, 2020 by KoB2011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 21 hours ago, ATX_sig said: The Clips struggled to beat Dallas who lost KP and didn't have Powell. Eventually the Mavs just did not have enough fater losing KP. I think the Clips thought they were going to walk through this thing. I don't like the Lakers but I think they were going to roll the Heat injuries or no injuries. Rondo's return has energized their defense especially in the back court. Adebayo is a super star on the rise but Laker are deep. AD, Lebron, Howard and even McGee. The lakers can throw more at him than entire East opponents did. The Lakers best backcourt defender opted out in Avery Bradley. IMO, Miami benefitted just as much in the playoffs with breaks as the Lakers. I hope the Pacers hire Billups. The current team really didn't play together much and it seems there is a lack of cohesion off the court. Nate fired, VO and Turner rumors. Low ball offers. Sabonis out. Billups seems to maybe bring a sense of calm. I think he can be similar to the Suns coach and at least get everyone on the same page. If I'm the Pacers, I don't make big player moves until the trade deadline. Low ball offers??? Sabonis out (hurt)? The rumors around indy are that the cohesion problem is guys on the team having problems with Vic having one foot out the door. That's why they can't wait until the trade deadline to trade him like some people suggest the Pacers should do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Very intrigued at what the Pacers could net for Victor. I truly think he'll return very close to pre knee injury. If Myles could have netted us a top 10 pick in this past draft plus other assets, what does Vic net us in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, dwtaylor1055 said: Very intrigued at what the Pacers could net for Victor. I truly think he'll return very close to pre knee injury. If Myles could have netted us a top 10 pick in this past draft plus other assets, what does Vic net us in return? When you say pre knee injury, do you mean the one year he played like a top 20ish player or pre knee injury as in the year after that were he regressed before he got hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: When you say pre knee injury, do you mean the one year he played like a top 20ish player or pre knee injury as in the year after that were he regressed before he got hurt? First year in Indy where he earned his 1st All Star nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 13 hours ago, IU Scott said: The NBA must have gotten to the Lakers and tell them they need the series to go longer. Why would they want it to go longer? It should be put out of it's misery. "Game 2 of the NBA Finals between the Lakers and Heat utterly collapsed with just 4.5 million viewers. The embarrassing average is down — wait for it — 68% from last year’s Game 2, which featured a team in Canada." "How bad is the number? It’s the least-watched NBA Finals game on record. Dropping even below Game 1’s 7.41, the lowest-viewed Finals opener in history." https://www.outkick.com/nba-ratings-tank-game-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said: First year in Indy where he earned his 1st All Star nod. I don't see that; he wasn't that player before the injury. That year looks, to me at least, to be a career year. He has never come close to those numbers or that level of efficiency before or since that season. Don't get me wrong, I think he is still a good player, but I think that's about where I draw the line with him. He's unlikely to make 70% of his shots at the rim again and he continues to shoot more and more threes despite being an average at best three point shooter. He made 58% of his corner threes that season which is again, something he is unlikely to ever replicate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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