Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: Trey finally shows the kind of senior leadership we need... Both on the road and at home... And I think having Anthony, who's building up even more cred with his younger teammates by not only talking the talk, but walking the walk, out there makes Galloway a better player... The chemistry is definitely there... I know this game will be downplayed, and no one is stamping it as a signature win, but any road victory in this league is valuable, especially coming from 18 back... Even the most virulent critic has to acknowledge that these kids fought and didn't give up... Leal might be the lug nuts this team needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 21 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Nobody has said we have turned the corner but just enjoy a win. The players actually showed some emotion and passion which was great to see. Perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said: His shooting is desperately needed. Maybe CMW is looking at the roster like a NBA roster not a college...size Vs experience..etc,,, idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euroclydon Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 I want to give the team credit for fighting till the end. Any conf road win is a big plus. I also want to be realistic. They played much better in the second half after a horrible first half. But in the bigger picture it was a big comeback against a poor team that's reeling. It is what it is. If IU gets smacked this weekend by 20+ nobody will remember last night's win. As much as I want them to turn the corner, it seems unlikely they will suddenly learn to guard the three or shoot better. I'm hoping they solve the puzzle but reality says there are more bad games coming their way than good games. More Ls than Ws. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier4Life53 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 19 minutes ago, Euroclydon said: I want to give the team credit for fighting till the end. Any conf road win is a big plus. I also want to be realistic. They played much better in the second half after a horrible first half. But in the bigger picture it was a big comeback against a poor team that's reeling. It is what it is. If IU gets smacked this weekend by 20+ nobody will remember last night's win. As much as I want them to turn the corner, it seems unlikely they will suddenly learn to guard the three or shoot better. I'm hoping they solve the puzzle but reality says there are more bad games coming their way than good games. More Ls than Ws. Oh, such is the life of a Hoosier fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 47 minutes ago, Dawg Bawls said: Leal might be the lug nuts this team needs careful with the terminology. XJ could be lurking. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 i had to watch the game when i got home from my son's game. luckily we made it home in time to rewind and watch last night. as you can imagine with my not so optimistic takes, i was disgusted for most of the game. i never stop watching though and am glad i didn't! that said, i am obviously happy about the win. i definitely thought it would be another road loss. that said, we beat one of the worst teams in the conference who had lost 7 of their last 8 in a big comeback victory by 3. while i am happy today, let's not get carried away and say all is good, we are going to make the tourney, Woodson is a great coach, etc. it is what it is. the loss Sat will hurt my soul, but if by chance we could win the next two at home and then get revenge at PSU... then i will be much more impressed and maybe even a tad optimistic! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 Start Leal! Dont ever let X be a starter ever again. Make that guy earn minutes the way he did Leal who is way more deserving. Let Trey play PG. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 34 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: careful with the terminology. XJ could be lurking. Like Ezal....?!?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maedhros Posted February 7 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 7 51 minutes ago, Euroclydon said: As much as I want them to turn the corner, it seems unlikely they will suddenly learn to guard the three or shoot better. Funny how narratives get formed and stick. In Big Ten play, Indiana is holding teams to just 31% from three, best in the conference. They're shooting 34.4% from three themselves, right in the middle of the pack at eighth in the conference, and a mark would be 162nd nationally, above the median. 8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Funny how narratives get formed and stick. In Big Ten play, Indiana is holding teams to just 31% from three, best in the conference. They're shooting 34.4% from three themselves, right in the middle of the pack at eighth in the conference, and a mark would be 162nd nationally, above the median. I wished they shot more 3s... im not saying jack em up, but theres been alot of pass ups 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euroclydon Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Funny how narratives get formed and stick. In Big Ten play, Indiana is holding teams to just 31% from three, best in the conference. They're shooting 34.4% from three themselves, right in the middle of the pack at eighth in the conference, and a mark would be 162nd nationally, above the median. Averages can lie. We've watched them against tournament level teams get lit up from three. The B1G has a small number of quality teams and a bunch looking up at the NIT, as it stands today. I wouldn't put a lot of value on that average. Just rewatch the games against the better teams. It's ugly. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Dawg Bawls said: I wished they shot more 3s... im not saying jack em up, but theres been alot of pass ups That's definitely still true. At 15.75 attempts per game in conference play, we're firmly last, more than two full attempts behind the next lowest team. Which is surprisingly Iowa. Ten of the fourteen B10 teams are above 20 per game, with Nebraska leading with 24.8 per. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Maedhros said: That's definitely still true. At 15.75 attempts per game in conference play, we're firmly last, more than two full attempts behind the next lowest team. Which is surprisingly Iowa. Ten of the fourteen B10 teams are above 20 per game, with Nebraska leading with 24.8 per. 20 at the least thats making 5-6 ...15-18 points how many games is that a poss W or close Edited February 7 by Dawg Bawls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDPU95 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Dawg Bawls said: 20 at the least thats making 5-6 ...15-18 points how many games is that a poss W or close you would need to subtract the number of 2 pointers we typically would make but not take by taking 5-6 more 3's. Don't know what that would be but I'm pretty sure the "15-18 points" goes way down given how efficient IU is in the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said: you would need to subtract the number of 2 pointers we typically would make but not take by taking 5-6 more 3's. Don't know what that would be but I'm pretty sure the "15-18 points" goes way down given how efficient IU is in the paint. Or subtract missed 2 or turnovers.. or 1 and 1...etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: This is the biggest issue with the coaching staff. When 2 pointers are going in at a 55% clip then shooting 43% from 3 won't do much from an exchange standpoint. Additionally, I think they fear going into a gigantic deficit because our defense is bad so they would rather take 2s. Here's the Wisconsin Game. If we start adding one 3 point shot and taking away one 2 point shot Indiana would need to take 4 more 3s to increase their point total by 1 point. Not really a good exchange. The biggest issue during this game was our defense. We scored 79 points which was more than enough to win. I do believe taking more 3s will decrease turnovers and provide better spacing for Ware and Malik but our defense is dumb on so many possessions. 2 point Percentage 3 Point Percentage 57.90% Points From 42.90% Points From Point Total Actual Shots Taken During Game 38 44 14 18 62 37 43 15 19 62 36 42 16 21 62 35 41 17 22 62 34 39 18 23 63 33 38 19 24 63 32 37 20 26 63 31 36 21 27 63 Dumb Defense...2 beers and a shot to that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 Don’t we have some other threads for this?🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Maedhros said: Funny how narratives get formed and stick. In Big Ten play, Indiana is holding teams to just 31% from three, best in the conference. They're shooting 34.4% from three themselves, right in the middle of the pack at eighth in the conference, and a mark would be 162nd nationally, above the median. 100%. Even with a couple of pretty big stinkers shooting from 3, we are actually 35.7% since the start of December. We just need to shoot more of them IMO. We're at 16.3 attempts per game in that stretch, what if that was 22 and we kept making at the same clip, plus it led to an additional offensive rebound and we score on that 50% of the time? That's 7 more PPG... Would probably only change a couple outcomes at best, but it also makes a lot of the blowouts closer and we'd be in a much better spot for March. Either way, would really love to see us play more perimeter oriented these next 5 weeks to see where we end up and can build towards for the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 (edited) 48 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said: you would need to subtract the number of 2 pointers we typically would make but not take by taking 5-6 more 3's. Don't know what that would be but I'm pretty sure the "15-18 points" goes way down given how efficient IU is in the paint. Below is a graph of last night's Ohio State Game. I exchanged 3s for 2s at the shooting percentages we had last night. I also increased 3s shot from 13 (how many we took) all the way to 25 (The number Nebraska takes per game the highest in the league). In a vacuum If we took 25 3 point shots at 38.5% clip our overall point total from 3s and 2s increases by 3 points. Turnovers would decrease significantly because the ball wouldn't be in the paint as often. Additionally, the defense would need to adjust leaving Malik and Ware in more 1 on 1 situations increasing the 2 point percentage. The question would be how many free throws would we be taking? We took 31 free throws and hit 21. Would that assumed decrease in free throws be too much to overcome? Lastly, our Point Per Possession in the 1st half was .75 per possession and we were at 1.50 points per possession in the 2nd half. This occurred even with a low percentage of 3 pointers taken. Overall, I think the most important factor about the 3 point shot is that it reduces turnovers but most importantly breaks the will of an opponent when they're going in. Malik and Ware's 2 point shots are even more heartbreaking for the opponent because they can't be stopped. I don't believe Ohio State goes up by Double Digits if we took more quality threes and ran plays like the one created for Leal and fast break 3 Leal created for Galloway. I believe more threes would utilize Ware and Malik better allowing their high percentage shots to have a greater affect on the moral of an opponent. VS. Ohio State 46.5% Points From 2 38.50% Points From 3 Point Total Actual Shots Taken During Game 43 40 13 15 55 Exchanging 2s for 3s 42 39 14 16 55 41 38 15 17 55 40 37 16 18 56 39 36 17 20 56 38 35 18 21 56 37 34 19 22 56 36 33 20 23 57 35 33 21 24 57 34 32 22 25 57 33 31 23 27 57 32 30 24 28 57 31 29 25 29 58 Edited February 7 by SawatchHoosier 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: Below is a graph of last night's Ohio State Game. I exchanged 3s for 2s at the shooting percentages we had last night. I also increased 3s shot from 13 (how many we took) all the way to 25 (The number Nebraska takes per game the highest in the league). In a vacuum If we took 25 3 point shots at 38.5% clip our overall point total from 3s and 2s increases by 3 points. Turnovers would decrease significantly because the ball wouldn't be in the paint as often. Additionally, the defense would need to adjust leaving Malik and Ware in more 1 on 1 situations increasing the 2 point percentage. The question would be how many free throws would we be taking? We took 31 free throws and hit 21. Would that assumed decrease in free throws be too much to overcome? Lastly, our Point Per Possession in the 1st half was .75 per possession and we were at 1.50 points per possession in the 2nd half. This occurred even with a low percentage of 3 pointers taken. Overall, I think the most important factor about the 3 point shot is that it reduces turnovers but most importantly breaks the will of an opponent when they're going in. Malik and Ware's 2 point shots are even more heartbreaking for the opponent because they can't be stopped. I don't believe Ohio State goes up by Double Digits if we took more quality threes and ran plays like the one created for Leal and fast break 3 Leal created for Galloway. I believe more threes would utilize Ware and Malik better allowing their high percentage shots to have a greater affect on the moral of an opponent. VS. Ohio State 46.5% Points From 2 38.50% Points From 3 Point Total Actual Shots Taken During Game 43 40 13 15 55 Exchanging 2s for 3s 42 39 14 16 55 41 38 15 17 55 40 37 16 18 56 39 36 17 20 56 38 35 18 21 56 37 34 19 22 56 36 33 20 23 57 35 33 21 24 57 34 32 22 25 57 33 31 23 27 57 32 30 24 28 57 31 29 25 29 58 Great post! I'd add that we should expect to get more offensive boards with more threes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDPU95 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: Below is a graph of last night's Ohio State Game. I exchanged 3s for 2s at the shooting percentages we had last night. I also increased 3s shot from 13 (how many we took) all the way to 25 (The number Nebraska takes per game the highest in the league). In a vacuum If we took 25 3 point shots at 38.5% clip our overall point total from 3s and 2s increases by 3 points. Turnovers would decrease significantly because the ball wouldn't be in the paint as often. Additionally, the defense would need to adjust leaving Malik and Ware in more 1 on 1 situations increasing the 2 point percentage. The question would be how many free throws would we be taking? We took 31 free throws and hit 21. Would that assumed decrease in free throws be too much to overcome? Lastly, our Point Per Possession in the 1st half was .75 per possession and we were at 1.50 points per possession in the 2nd half. This occurred even with a low percentage of 3 pointers taken. Overall, I think the most important factor about the 3 point shot is that it reduces turnovers but most importantly breaks the will of an opponent when they're going in. I don't believe Ohio State goes up by Double Digits if we took more quality threes and ran plays like the one created for Leal and fast break three Leal created for Galloway.I believe more threes would utilize Ware and Malik better allowing their high percentage shots to have a greater affect on the moral of an opponent. VS. Ohio State 46.5% Points From 2 38.50% Points From 3 Point Total Actual Shots Taken During Game 43 40 13 15 55 Exchanging 2s for 3s 42 39 14 16 55 41 38 15 17 55 40 37 16 18 56 39 36 17 20 56 38 35 18 21 56 37 34 19 22 56 36 33 20 23 57 35 33 21 24 57 34 32 22 25 57 33 31 23 27 57 32 30 24 28 57 31 29 25 29 58 Love it! Agree that there are several other variables at play here. I always chuckle when someone throws out the "basketball is a simple game" quote. Conceptually yes, but the underlying facets are super complex and intertwined. Thanks for taking the time to post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Great post! I'd add that we should expect to get more offensive boards with more threes. Absolutely. Our Offensive rebounding percentage rank is in the low 200s. Last night we had an above average night on the offensive boards and we won! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFaithful Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 I'm an eternal optimist, but Woody has shown that his teams get better as the year goes on... Could it be... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, HoosierFaithful said: I'm an eternal optimist, but Woody has shown that his teams get better as the year goes on... Could it be... We scored on the final 23 or our 29 possessions in the 2nd half. The zoom action and pick and rolls with Galloway and Malik were terrific. I know Ohio State sucks but the 2nd half offense was the best we've had all year at 1.50 points per possession. I can't help but wonder if the 2nd half offense were coaching changes, player changes and or both? We stopped putting the ball on the 3 point line and choreographing passes to Ware and Malik. Instead we saw Galloway force the issue with Malik cutting the basket. The Ohio State defense couldn't predictably settle on one side of the basket when Malik and or Ware got the ball in the post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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