Auburn Post Game

[IUCrazy2]

8 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

You should report it to the FBI.  

 

With the way they follow people these days, I just did by posting it. 😜 

[NCHoosier32]

17 hours ago, Rev_AK said:

At my age, these things shouldn’t bother me, but watching a loss when the other team talked smack after every basket and our guys just take it and play worse still bothers me.

With Woodson, I see a parallel to Crean with the substitution patterns. I see a parallel to Archie with the style of play, pounding it inside while other teams hit 3’s. Seems like for 10 years I’ve been saying “3’s  beat 2’s. Let’s at least all be intellectually honest and say it’s an antiquated style. 
 None of this means that I’m being negative ( although it could be 20 years + pf frustrations coming out during these kinds of nationally televised routs), or that I’m calling for the coach’s job-yet. 
Bottom line is- everyone, including opponents, knows that guards are the weakness of this team. I want to give the staff credit by just saying we swung for the fences on some big names and didn’t have a plan B. But, long term, at the moment, unless XJ plays a 7th year, ( or transfers to Washington to play football and be a Heisman contender) what do we have coming in to make us think it’s going to change?

Rant over. Assembly Hall has been a tough place for higher ranked teams and maybe the boys were sick this week. Get some rest and don’t let Hunter Dickenson run roughshod next week, and all will be right with the world again.

believe it or not, my opinion is that it is okay to be negative and critical and still be a fan.  may have to check the rules though.  some say you have to just always be happy, optimistic, and never question the coach to be a fan.  the game and society have changed a lot, so maybe i'm wrong?

[DC2345]

My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. 

[SawatchHoosier]

12 hours ago, IUskim said:

This board isn’t fun anymore. 

Personally, I believe 12 to 24 hours after a loss the post game thread is terrific place. Once everyone cools down there's a lot of good discourse and knowledge spread around.  

Edited December 10, 2023 by SawatchHoosier

[IU Scott]

42 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

but wasn't this his normal subbing patterns?

So far this year but normally by conference season he shortens the rotation. I heard people complaining last year how he played TJD to many minutes.

[KoB2011]

39 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. 

The Caleb Love thing really chaps my ass.

It seemed like he was ours to lose and then something happened in that Zoom meeting that made it fall through. I don’t believe it was NIL, I think it was something he heard about how he’d be coached. Looking at how this season is playing out, that’s a major miss on our part. And IMO, one that renders any excuse of our roster moot because it was a choice on our part to roll with things this way. 

[Hoosier987]

57 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

believe it or not, my opinion is that it is okay to be negative and critical and still be a fan.  may have to check the rules though.  some say you have to just always be happy, optimistic, and never question the coach to be a fan.  the game and society have changed a lot, so maybe i'm wrong?

Ain’t that the truth.

[SawatchHoosier]

11 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. 

I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." 

Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard.

Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event.

Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. 

My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. 

[SawatchHoosier]

32 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

So far this year but normally by conference season he shortens the rotation. I heard people complaining last year how he played TJD to many minutes.

This was my thought too. TJD was hit hard every single game last season. I know he's young but getting beat down on every defensive and offensive possession has a toll. I also wonder if our performance in the 2nd round had something to do with the high loads. Let's also not forget the dumb Big Ten tournament that depletes teams as well due the Tourney teams beginning play on Thursday and Friday. 

[NCHoosier32]

14 hours ago, kyhoosier29 said:

Good grief, why is it so hard for some of you guys to ignore others? If you dislike their comments/opinions so much you won’t debate them, then ignore them. 

I’m beyond disappointed and frustrated with CMW because in year 3 with the transfer portal we don’t have good enough players. Bottom line. Anybody would have a hard time persuading me otherwise. I’m not ready to kick him to the curb bc I think he has earned some latitude, but it’s certainly not trending in the right direction. 

it really totally works

[Drroogh]

47 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

Personally, I believe 12 to 24 hours after a loss the post game thread is terrific place. Once everyone cools down there's a lot of good discourse and knowledge spread around.  

[DC2345]

7 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." 

Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard.

Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event.

Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. 

My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. 

The staff knew there was a chance Newton would be out. That’s a fact. Also adding a grad transfer or someone from the portal wouldn’t have led to anyone transferring. This team didn’t have enough guard depth for that to happen. I’m not saying they should’ve landed a starter or anything but a solid guard. Plenty of teams have guys like that they picked up that are coming off their bench.

[KoB2011]

14 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." 

Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard.

Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event.

Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. 

My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. 

Why do other teams manage to have more guards than us?

Now, I’ll buy that our regressive brand of basketball is less appealing to guards and results in less guard minutes, but that seems to be something we could solve by… not being regressive. 

[SawatchHoosier]

4 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

The staff knew there was a chance Newton would be out. That’s a fact. Also adding a grad transfer or someone from the portal wouldn’t have led to anyone transferring. This team didn’t have enough guard depth for that to happen. I’m not saying they should’ve landed a starter or anything but a solid guard. Plenty of teams have guys like that they picked up that are coming off their bench.

I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? 

[KoB2011]

Just now, SawatchHoosier said:

I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? 

Caleb Love had interest until he heard something he didn’t like. He’d be our best guard. 

[DC2345]

1 minute ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? 

No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. 

[tdhoosier]

2 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. 

They pursued Love, Knecht, Timberlake and Ledlum. Maybe others. They didn’t get them. 

[Drroogh]

17 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. 

Seems to me I read the phrase swing and miss (why don’t we use ’airball’) read it more than I like concerning Guards?? Fears, Love, many others! My concern why? I’ve got a feeling that while coach and us want the best, the best still see IU as a mid tier program! They don’t wear crimson glasses! It’s going to take some time, but in the meantime do we settle? I surely don’t want anymore Prillers or Gelons on the team that only extends the mid tier belief! JMHO

Edit: We’ve had 20 some years to build the mid tier brand, it’s going to take some time and persistence to change that!!

Edited December 10, 2023 by Drroogh

[SawatchHoosier]

13 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Why do other teams manage to have more guards than us?

Now, I’ll buy that our regressive brand of basketball is less appealing to guards and results in less guard minutes, but that seems to be something we could solve by… not being regressive. 

I don't believe Indiana want's to play regressive basketball I think the Big Ten as a whole wants this. I believe the Big Ten wants this garbage brand of basketball even if it destroys probability of success in the future. 

 

When we look at the current NBA guards coming out of the Big Ten the list is limited. 14 guards.

Kobe Bufkin	2023	Hawks
Brandin Podziemski	2023	Warriors
Jalen Hood-Schifino	2023	Lakers
Jaden Ivey	2022	Pistons
Dalano Banton	2021	Celtics
Ayo Dosunmu	2021	Bulls
Jordan Poole	2019	Wizards
Caris LeVert	2016	Cavaliers
D'Angelo Russell	2015	Lakers
Gary Harris	2014	Magic
Tim Hardaway Jr.	2013	Mavericks
Victor Oladipo	2013	Rockets
Eric Gordon	2008	Suns
Mike Conley	2007	Timberwolves

 

Compare this to the list of current NBA guards from the ACC, The number is 40.

Jordan Miller	G	2023	Clippers
A.J. Griffin, Jr.	SG	2022	Hawks
Dereon Seabron	SG	2022	Pelicans
Blake Wesley	SG	2022	Spurs
Jose Alvarado	G	2021	Pelicans
Trey Murphy III	G	2021	Pelicans
Trent Forrest	SG	2020	Hawks
Devin Vassell	SG	2020	Spurs
Patrick Williams	G	2020	Bulls
Cole Anthony	PG	2020	Magic
Tre Jones	PG	2020	Spurs
Nickeil Alexander-Walker	SG	2019	Timberwolves
R.J. Barrett	SG	2019	Knicks
Terance Mann	SG	2019	Clippers
Cameron Johnson	G	2019	Nets
Cam Reddish	G	2019	Lakers
Ty Jerome	PG	2019	Cavaliers
Coby White	PG	2019	Bulls
Grayson Allen	SG	2018	Suns
Bruce Brown, Jr.	SG	2018	Pacers
Josh Okogie	SG	2018	Suns
Jerome Robinson	SG	2018	Warriors
Gary Trent, Jr.	SG	2018	Raptors
Lonnie Walker	SG	2018	Nets
Luke Kennard	SG	2017	Grizzlies
Donovan Mitchell	SG	2017	Cavaliers
Dennis Smith	PG	2017	Nets
Malik Beasley	SG	2016	Bucks
Malcolm Brogdon	SG	2016	Trail Blazers
Damion Lee	G	2016	Suns
Terry Rozier	G	2015	Hornets
Tyus Jones	PG	2015	Wizards
Joe Harris	SG	2014	Pistons
Reggie Bullock	SG	2013	Rockets
Seth Curry	G	2013	Mavericks
Kyrie Irving	G	2011	Mavericks
Reggie Jackson	G	2011	Nuggets
Ish Smith	PG	2010	Hornets
Chris Paul	PG	2005	Warriors

The SEC has 26 guards currently in the NBA. 

Anthony Black	Arkansas	G	2023
Nick Smith, Jr.	Arkansas	G	2023
Cason Wallace	Kentucky	G	2023
Stanley Umude	Arkansas	G	2022
Andrew Nembhard	Gonzaga	PG	2022
TyTy Washington, Jr.	Kentucky	PG	2022
Joshua Primo	Alabama	G	2021
Javonte Smart	LSU	G	2021
Keon Johnson	Tennessee	PG	2021
Tre Mann	Florida	PG	2021
Davion Mitchell	Baylor	PG	2021
Cam Thomas	LSU	PG	2021
Saben Lee	Vanderbilt	PG	2020
Kira Lewis, Jr.	Alabama	PG	2020
Tyrese Maxey	Kentucky	PG	2020
Skylar Mays	LSU	PG	2020
Immanuel Quickley	Kentucky	PG	2020
Darius Garland	Vanderbilt	G	2019
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	Kentucky	PG	2018
Collin Sexton	Alabama	PG	2018
De'Aaron Fox	Kentucky	PG	2017
Alex Caruso	Texas A&M	G	2016
Josh Richardson	Tennessee	G	2015
Jordan Clarkson	Missouri	G	2014
Garrett Temple	LSU	G	2009
Patrick Beverley	Arkansas	PG	2009

The big ten has facilitated an institution of garbage basketball from the Big Ten executive level to referees that prevents its basketball teams from drafting and developing top level guards. 

[IU Scott]

19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Caleb Love had interest until he heard something he didn’t like. He’d be our best guard. 

Probably was told he wouldn't have free reign to take the terrible shots he had taken the last 3 years. There is a reason that UNC wasn't sorry to see him leave

[IUProfessor]

12 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

They pursued Love, Knecht, Timberlake and Ledlum. Maybe others. They didn’t get them. 

Of those, only Love and Timberlake could play the 2/3. We also went after Dingle from Penn. Timberlake is only putting up around 3 per game in 12 minutes for Kansas. Dingle is scoring around 12 per game on 25+ minutes. Love is at 14 PPG for AZ.

[SawatchHoosier]

4 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I don't believe Indiana want's to play regressive basketball I think the Big Ten as a whole wants this. I believe the Big Ten wants this garbage brand of basketball even if it destroys probability of success in the future. 

 

When we look at the current NBA guards coming out of the Big Ten the list is limited. 14 guards.

Kobe Bufkin	2023	Hawks
Brandin Podziemski	2023	Warriors
Jalen Hood-Schifino	2023	Lakers
Jaden Ivey	2022	Pistons
Dalano Banton	2021	Celtics
Ayo Dosunmu	2021	Bulls
Jordan Poole	2019	Wizards
Caris LeVert	2016	Cavaliers
D'Angelo Russell	2015	Lakers
Gary Harris	2014	Magic
Tim Hardaway Jr.	2013	Mavericks
Victor Oladipo	2013	Rockets
Eric Gordon	2008	Suns
Mike Conley	2007	Timberwolves

 

Compare this to the list of current NBA guards from the ACC, The number is 40.

Jordan Miller	G	2023	Clippers
A.J. Griffin, Jr.	SG	2022	Hawks
Dereon Seabron	SG	2022	Pelicans
Blake Wesley	SG	2022	Spurs
Jose Alvarado	G	2021	Pelicans
Trey Murphy III	G	2021	Pelicans
Trent Forrest	SG	2020	Hawks
Devin Vassell	SG	2020	Spurs
Patrick Williams	G	2020	Bulls
Cole Anthony	PG	2020	Magic
Tre Jones	PG	2020	Spurs
Nickeil Alexander-Walker	SG	2019	Timberwolves
R.J. Barrett	SG	2019	Knicks
Terance Mann	SG	2019	Clippers
Cameron Johnson	G	2019	Nets
Cam Reddish	G	2019	Lakers
Ty Jerome	PG	2019	Cavaliers
Coby White	PG	2019	Bulls
Grayson Allen	SG	2018	Suns
Bruce Brown, Jr.	SG	2018	Pacers
Josh Okogie	SG	2018	Suns
Jerome Robinson	SG	2018	Warriors
Gary Trent, Jr.	SG	2018	Raptors
Lonnie Walker	SG	2018	Nets
Luke Kennard	SG	2017	Grizzlies
Donovan Mitchell	SG	2017	Cavaliers
Dennis Smith	PG	2017	Nets
Malik Beasley	SG	2016	Bucks
Malcolm Brogdon	SG	2016	Trail Blazers
Damion Lee	G	2016	Suns
Terry Rozier	G	2015	Hornets
Tyus Jones	PG	2015	Wizards
Joe Harris	SG	2014	Pistons
Reggie Bullock	SG	2013	Rockets
Seth Curry	G	2013	Mavericks
Kyrie Irving	G	2011	Mavericks
Reggie Jackson	G	2011	Nuggets
Ish Smith	PG	2010	Hornets
Chris Paul	PG	2005	Warriors

The SEC has 26 guards currently in the NBA. 

Anthony Black	Arkansas	G	2023
Nick Smith, Jr.	Arkansas	G	2023
Cason Wallace	Kentucky	G	2023
Stanley Umude	Arkansas	G	2022
Andrew Nembhard	Gonzaga	PG	2022
TyTy Washington, Jr.	Kentucky	PG	2022
Joshua Primo	Alabama	G	2021
Javonte Smart	LSU	G	2021
Keon Johnson	Tennessee	PG	2021
Tre Mann	Florida	PG	2021
Davion Mitchell	Baylor	PG	2021
Cam Thomas	LSU	PG	2021
Saben Lee	Vanderbilt	PG	2020
Kira Lewis, Jr.	Alabama	PG	2020
Tyrese Maxey	Kentucky	PG	2020
Skylar Mays	LSU	PG	2020
Immanuel Quickley	Kentucky	PG	2020
Darius Garland	Vanderbilt	G	2019
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	Kentucky	PG	2018
Collin Sexton	Alabama	PG	2018
De'Aaron Fox	Kentucky	PG	2017
Alex Caruso	Texas A&M	G	2016
Josh Richardson	Tennessee	G	2015
Jordan Clarkson	Missouri	G	2014
Garrett Temple	LSU	G	2009
Patrick Beverley	Arkansas	PG	2009

The big ten has facilitated an institution of garbage basketball from the Big Ten executive level to referees that prevents its basketball teams from drafting and developing top level guards. 

The Big 12 has 21

Keyonte George	Baylor	G	2023
Markquis Nowell	Kansas State	PG	2023
Jeremy Sochan	Baylor	SG	2022
Kendall Brown	Baylor	G	2022
Quentin Grimes	Houston	SG	2021
Miles McBride	West Virginia	G	2021
Jared Butler	Baylor	PG	2021
Davion Mitchell	Baylor	PG	2021
Austin Reaves	Oklahoma	PG	2021
Desmond Bane	TCU	SG	2020
Lindy Waters III	Oklahoma State	SG	2020
Tyrese Haliburton	Iowa State	PG	2020
Lindell Wigginton	Iowa State	SG	2019
Jevon Carter	West Virginia	PG	2018
Devonte' Graham	Kansas	PG	2018
Trae Young	Oklahoma	PG	2018
Monte Morris	Iowa State	G	2017
Buddy Hield	Oklahoma	G	2016
Marcus Smart	Oklahoma State	PG	2014
Alec Burks	Colorado	SG	2011
Cory Joseph	Texas	PG	2011

 

The Pac 12 has 29 

Amari Bailey	UCLA	G	6-3	2023
Jules Bernard	UCLA	SG	6-6	2022
Johnny Juzang	UCLA	SG	6-5	2022
Dalen Terry	Arizona	PG	6-7	2022
Josh Christopher	Arizona State	G	6-4	2021
Chris Duarte	Oregon	PG	6-5	2021
Josh Green	Arizona	SG	6-5	2020
Malachi Flynn	San Diego State	PG	6-1	2020
Payton Pritchard	Oregon	PG	6-1	2020
Jaylen Nowell	Washington	SG	6-4	2019
Luguentz Dort	Arizona State	PG	6-4	2019
De'Anthony Melton	USC	SG	6-3	2018
Jordan McLaughlin	USC	G	6-0	2018
Aaron Holiday	UCLA	PG	6-0	2018
Derrick White	Colorado	G	6-4	2017
Lonzo Ball	UCLA	PG	6-6	2017
Markelle Fultz	Washington	PG	6-4	2017
Dejounte Murray	Washington	SG	6-5	2016
Gary Payton II	Oregon State	G	6-2	2016
Norman Powell	UCLA	SG	6-4	2015
T.J. McConnell	Arizona	G	6-1	2015
Delon Wright	Utah	G	6-5	2015
Zach LaVine	UCLA	SG	6-5	2014
Spencer Dinwiddie	Colorado	PG	6-5	2014
Klay Thompson	Washington State	G	6-6	2011
James Harden	Arizona State	SG	6-5	2009
Jrue Holiday	UCLA	G	6-4	2009
Russell Westbrook	UCLA	G	6-4	2008

 

The big ten is worst power 5 conference at producing NBA level guards. This isn't an Indiana problem it's a big ten problem. In the era of guard driven basketball the Big Ten will routinely fall behind until it decides to allow a more free flowing type of basketball. 

[KoB2011]

24 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Probably was told he wouldn't have free rein to take the terrible shots he had taken the last 3 years. There is a reason that UNC wasn't sorry to see him leave

 I’d happily take a guard that plays freely on this team. 

[cthomas]

1 hour ago, SawatchHoosier said:

remember I'm an idiot

Me too!

[Danomatic]

2 hours ago, NCHoosier32 said:

my frustration (and this isn't aimed necessarily at you) is i don't see why we wouldn't have high expectations this season.  only argument is we lost a lot from our roster.  that said, most high level teams do these days.  transfer portal, early NBA, etc.  new world of college bball is that the roster is going to change a lot every year.  so we have three 5 star guys, a 6th year PG, and a returning starter from last season.  that's not as much talent as most?

The primary factor in what I saw going into the season was the guards. You need high quality guards to be able to sustain success at this level. When we didn’t land a difference maker in the portal at the guard position, my expectations changed for this team. Again, I really like our guys, but I didn’t realistically see this team competing for a B1G title or much more once we decided to pocket the last scholarship. Indiana has been most successful when we’ve had great guard play. And for whatever reason, we just haven’t landed much since 2015.