IUCrazy2 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, 5fouls said: You should report it to the FBI. With the way they follow people these days, I just did by posting it. 😜 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 17 hours ago, Rev_AK said: At my age, these things shouldn’t bother me, but watching a loss when the other team talked smack after every basket and our guys just take it and play worse still bothers me. With Woodson, I see a parallel to Crean with the substitution patterns. I see a parallel to Archie with the style of play, pounding it inside while other teams hit 3’s. Seems like for 10 years I’ve been saying “3’s beat 2’s. Let’s at least all be intellectually honest and say it’s an antiquated style. None of this means that I’m being negative ( although it could be 20 years + pf frustrations coming out during these kinds of nationally televised routs), or that I’m calling for the coach’s job-yet. Bottom line is- everyone, including opponents, knows that guards are the weakness of this team. I want to give the staff credit by just saying we swung for the fences on some big names and didn’t have a plan B. But, long term, at the moment, unless XJ plays a 7th year, ( or transfers to Washington to play football and be a Heisman contender) what do we have coming in to make us think it’s going to change? Rant over. Assembly Hall has been a tough place for higher ranked teams and maybe the boys were sick this week. Get some rest and don’t let Hunter Dickenson run roughshod next week, and all will be right with the world again. believe it or not, my opinion is that it is okay to be negative and critical and still be a fan. may have to check the rules though. some say you have to just always be happy, optimistic, and never question the coach to be a fan. the game and society have changed a lot, so maybe i'm wrong? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DC2345 Posted December 10, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, IUskim said: This board isn’t fun anymore. Personally, I believe 12 to 24 hours after a loss the post game thread is terrific place. Once everyone cools down there's a lot of good discourse and knowledge spread around. Edited December 10, 2023 by SawatchHoosier 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: but wasn't this his normal subbing patterns? So far this year but normally by conference season he shortens the rotation. I heard people complaining last year how he played TJD to many minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, DC2345 said: My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. The Caleb Love thing really chaps my ass. It seemed like he was ours to lose and then something happened in that Zoom meeting that made it fall through. I don’t believe it was NIL, I think it was something he heard about how he’d be coached. Looking at how this season is playing out, that’s a major miss on our part. And IMO, one that renders any excuse of our roster moot because it was a choice on our part to roll with things this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: believe it or not, my opinion is that it is okay to be negative and critical and still be a fan. may have to check the rules though. some say you have to just always be happy, optimistic, and never question the coach to be a fan. the game and society have changed a lot, so maybe i'm wrong? Ain’t that the truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, DC2345 said: My issues with Woodson are that these roster problems were obvious in the offseason and Woodson didn’t do anything about it. He left an open scholarship when he could’ve taken another guard for depth. He didn’t because he thought X would come back and be reliable which he’s not because the best ability is availability and he’s not consistently available. He also didn’t want to bring someone in that wasn’t better than Galloway. His reasoning was bad then and it looks even worse now. Now he’s got an awful roster balance and he still likes to make massive substitutions taking out 4-5 starters at a time when it clearly hasn’t worked. There just isn’t any logic behind it. I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard. Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event. Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, IU Scott said: So far this year but normally by conference season he shortens the rotation. I heard people complaining last year how he played TJD to many minutes. This was my thought too. TJD was hit hard every single game last season. I know he's young but getting beat down on every defensive and offensive possession has a toll. I also wonder if our performance in the 2nd round had something to do with the high loads. Let's also not forget the dumb Big Ten tournament that depletes teams as well due the Tourney teams beginning play on Thursday and Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 14 hours ago, kyhoosier29 said: Good grief, why is it so hard for some of you guys to ignore others? If you dislike their comments/opinions so much you won’t debate them, then ignore them. I’m beyond disappointed and frustrated with CMW because in year 3 with the transfer portal we don’t have good enough players. Bottom line. Anybody would have a hard time persuading me otherwise. I’m not ready to kick him to the curb bc I think he has earned some latitude, but it’s certainly not trending in the right direction. it really totally works 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 47 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: Personally, I believe 12 to 24 hours after a loss the post game thread is terrific place. Once everyone cools down there's a lot of good discourse and knowledge spread around. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard. Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event. Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. The staff knew there was a chance Newton would be out. That’s a fact. Also adding a grad transfer or someone from the portal wouldn’t have led to anyone transferring. This team didn’t have enough guard depth for that to happen. I’m not saying they should’ve landed a starter or anything but a solid guard. Plenty of teams have guys like that they picked up that are coming off their bench. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I agree it would have been nice to get another guard but I'm wondering what type of guard we could have gotten. With Galloway, XJ, Cupps and Newton expected to contribute combined with transfer rules I guarantee if we had gotten another 4 star and or solid guard transfer one of our guards would have decommitted or transferred leaving us in the same situation. In hindsight we can all say "that would have been great given the injuries and Galloway's play." Another poster mentioned our coaching staff knew that Newton would not play this year but I can't imagine that being correct. If Newton was going to be out the entire they would have added another guard. Are we bad a at developing guards? Maybe? XJ isn't proof of this due to the injury plagued season he's had, which was not expected. Galloway hasn't performed the way we would have expected but he's also performed way below our baseline expectations. With that said having XJ hurt, Galloway as a shell of himself and Newton out indefinitely is a worse case scenario that would require ostracizing incoming recruits and senior guards for this unlikely event. Lastly, let's say we filled that last position with a 4 star or good transfer. We would be in the same position we are this year. That position being we want 5 star talent at the guard position but 5 star talent isn't going to come in due to our coaches requirement of competing with more experienced 4 star talent for a starting job. My guess is that Woody purposefully said let's ride or die with Galloway and X hoping we can get real talent at the guard position for the 24-25 season. My opinion (remember I'm an idiot) is that filling that 12 spot with a decent guard would have continued the cycle of average guard play for Indiana. It's not as simple as having a scholarship open and filling it. You have to fill it in a manner that doesn't compromise the remainder of the team. If we fill 2 spots next year with high 4 star, 5 star and or top 10 transfer guards we don't run the risk of losing Cupps and or Newton. Why do other teams manage to have more guards than us? Now, I’ll buy that our regressive brand of basketball is less appealing to guards and results in less guard minutes, but that seems to be something we could solve by… not being regressive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, DC2345 said: The staff knew there was a chance Newton would be out. That’s a fact. Also adding a grad transfer or someone from the portal wouldn’t have led to anyone transferring. This team didn’t have enough guard depth for that to happen. I’m not saying they should’ve landed a starter or anything but a solid guard. Plenty of teams have guys like that they picked up that are coming off their bench. I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, SawatchHoosier said: I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? Caleb Love had interest until he heard something he didn’t like. He’d be our best guard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, SawatchHoosier said: I hear you on these points. Was there any grad transfer who had any interest in filling Newton's minutes? No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, DC2345 said: No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. They pursued Love, Knecht, Timberlake and Ledlum. Maybe others. They didn’t get them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DC2345 said: No clue but IU didn’t really pursue any and that’s the problem. Seems to me I read the phrase swing and miss (why don’t we use ’airball’) read it more than I like concerning Guards?? Fears, Love, many others! My concern why? I’ve got a feeling that while coach and us want the best, the best still see IU as a mid tier program! They don’t wear crimson glasses! It’s going to take some time, but in the meantime do we settle? I surely don’t want anymore Prillers or Gelons on the team that only extends the mid tier belief! JMHO Edit: We’ve had 20 some years to build the mid tier brand, it’s going to take some time and persistence to change that!! Edited December 10, 2023 by Drroogh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Why do other teams manage to have more guards than us? Now, I’ll buy that our regressive brand of basketball is less appealing to guards and results in less guard minutes, but that seems to be something we could solve by… not being regressive. I don't believe Indiana want's to play regressive basketball I think the Big Ten as a whole wants this. I believe the Big Ten wants this garbage brand of basketball even if it destroys probability of success in the future. When we look at the current NBA guards coming out of the Big Ten the list is limited. 14 guards. Kobe Bufkin 2023 Hawks Brandin Podziemski 2023 Warriors Jalen Hood-Schifino 2023 Lakers Jaden Ivey 2022 Pistons Dalano Banton 2021 Celtics Ayo Dosunmu 2021 Bulls Jordan Poole 2019 Wizards Caris LeVert 2016 Cavaliers D'Angelo Russell 2015 Lakers Gary Harris 2014 Magic Tim Hardaway Jr. 2013 Mavericks Victor Oladipo 2013 Rockets Eric Gordon 2008 Suns Mike Conley 2007 Timberwolves Compare this to the list of current NBA guards from the ACC, The number is 40. Jordan Miller G 2023 Clippers A.J. Griffin, Jr. SG 2022 Hawks Dereon Seabron SG 2022 Pelicans Blake Wesley SG 2022 Spurs Jose Alvarado G 2021 Pelicans Trey Murphy III G 2021 Pelicans Trent Forrest SG 2020 Hawks Devin Vassell SG 2020 Spurs Patrick Williams G 2020 Bulls Cole Anthony PG 2020 Magic Tre Jones PG 2020 Spurs Nickeil Alexander-Walker SG 2019 Timberwolves R.J. Barrett SG 2019 Knicks Terance Mann SG 2019 Clippers Cameron Johnson G 2019 Nets Cam Reddish G 2019 Lakers Ty Jerome PG 2019 Cavaliers Coby White PG 2019 Bulls Grayson Allen SG 2018 Suns Bruce Brown, Jr. SG 2018 Pacers Josh Okogie SG 2018 Suns Jerome Robinson SG 2018 Warriors Gary Trent, Jr. SG 2018 Raptors Lonnie Walker SG 2018 Nets Luke Kennard SG 2017 Grizzlies Donovan Mitchell SG 2017 Cavaliers Dennis Smith PG 2017 Nets Malik Beasley SG 2016 Bucks Malcolm Brogdon SG 2016 Trail Blazers Damion Lee G 2016 Suns Terry Rozier G 2015 Hornets Tyus Jones PG 2015 Wizards Joe Harris SG 2014 Pistons Reggie Bullock SG 2013 Rockets Seth Curry G 2013 Mavericks Kyrie Irving G 2011 Mavericks Reggie Jackson G 2011 Nuggets Ish Smith PG 2010 Hornets Chris Paul PG 2005 Warriors The SEC has 26 guards currently in the NBA. Anthony Black Arkansas G 2023 Nick Smith, Jr. Arkansas G 2023 Cason Wallace Kentucky G 2023 Stanley Umude Arkansas G 2022 Andrew Nembhard Gonzaga PG 2022 TyTy Washington, Jr. Kentucky PG 2022 Joshua Primo Alabama G 2021 Javonte Smart LSU G 2021 Keon Johnson Tennessee PG 2021 Tre Mann Florida PG 2021 Davion Mitchell Baylor PG 2021 Cam Thomas LSU PG 2021 Saben Lee Vanderbilt PG 2020 Kira Lewis, Jr. Alabama PG 2020 Tyrese Maxey Kentucky PG 2020 Skylar Mays LSU PG 2020 Immanuel Quickley Kentucky PG 2020 Darius Garland Vanderbilt G 2019 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Kentucky PG 2018 Collin Sexton Alabama PG 2018 De'Aaron Fox Kentucky PG 2017 Alex Caruso Texas A&M G 2016 Josh Richardson Tennessee G 2015 Jordan Clarkson Missouri G 2014 Garrett Temple LSU G 2009 Patrick Beverley Arkansas PG 2009 The big ten has facilitated an institution of garbage basketball from the Big Ten executive level to referees that prevents its basketball teams from drafting and developing top level guards. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Caleb Love had interest until he heard something he didn’t like. He’d be our best guard. Probably was told he wouldn't have free reign to take the terrible shots he had taken the last 3 years. There is a reason that UNC wasn't sorry to see him leave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: They pursued Love, Knecht, Timberlake and Ledlum. Maybe others. They didn’t get them. Of those, only Love and Timberlake could play the 2/3. We also went after Dingle from Penn. Timberlake is only putting up around 3 per game in 12 minutes for Kansas. Dingle is scoring around 12 per game on 25+ minutes. Love is at 14 PPG for AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I don't believe Indiana want's to play regressive basketball I think the Big Ten as a whole wants this. I believe the Big Ten wants this garbage brand of basketball even if it destroys probability of success in the future. When we look at the current NBA guards coming out of the Big Ten the list is limited. 14 guards. Kobe Bufkin 2023 Hawks Brandin Podziemski 2023 Warriors Jalen Hood-Schifino 2023 Lakers Jaden Ivey 2022 Pistons Dalano Banton 2021 Celtics Ayo Dosunmu 2021 Bulls Jordan Poole 2019 Wizards Caris LeVert 2016 Cavaliers D'Angelo Russell 2015 Lakers Gary Harris 2014 Magic Tim Hardaway Jr. 2013 Mavericks Victor Oladipo 2013 Rockets Eric Gordon 2008 Suns Mike Conley 2007 Timberwolves Compare this to the list of current NBA guards from the ACC, The number is 40. Jordan Miller G 2023 Clippers A.J. Griffin, Jr. SG 2022 Hawks Dereon Seabron SG 2022 Pelicans Blake Wesley SG 2022 Spurs Jose Alvarado G 2021 Pelicans Trey Murphy III G 2021 Pelicans Trent Forrest SG 2020 Hawks Devin Vassell SG 2020 Spurs Patrick Williams G 2020 Bulls Cole Anthony PG 2020 Magic Tre Jones PG 2020 Spurs Nickeil Alexander-Walker SG 2019 Timberwolves R.J. Barrett SG 2019 Knicks Terance Mann SG 2019 Clippers Cameron Johnson G 2019 Nets Cam Reddish G 2019 Lakers Ty Jerome PG 2019 Cavaliers Coby White PG 2019 Bulls Grayson Allen SG 2018 Suns Bruce Brown, Jr. SG 2018 Pacers Josh Okogie SG 2018 Suns Jerome Robinson SG 2018 Warriors Gary Trent, Jr. SG 2018 Raptors Lonnie Walker SG 2018 Nets Luke Kennard SG 2017 Grizzlies Donovan Mitchell SG 2017 Cavaliers Dennis Smith PG 2017 Nets Malik Beasley SG 2016 Bucks Malcolm Brogdon SG 2016 Trail Blazers Damion Lee G 2016 Suns Terry Rozier G 2015 Hornets Tyus Jones PG 2015 Wizards Joe Harris SG 2014 Pistons Reggie Bullock SG 2013 Rockets Seth Curry G 2013 Mavericks Kyrie Irving G 2011 Mavericks Reggie Jackson G 2011 Nuggets Ish Smith PG 2010 Hornets Chris Paul PG 2005 Warriors The SEC has 26 guards currently in the NBA. Anthony Black Arkansas G 2023 Nick Smith, Jr. Arkansas G 2023 Cason Wallace Kentucky G 2023 Stanley Umude Arkansas G 2022 Andrew Nembhard Gonzaga PG 2022 TyTy Washington, Jr. Kentucky PG 2022 Joshua Primo Alabama G 2021 Javonte Smart LSU G 2021 Keon Johnson Tennessee PG 2021 Tre Mann Florida PG 2021 Davion Mitchell Baylor PG 2021 Cam Thomas LSU PG 2021 Saben Lee Vanderbilt PG 2020 Kira Lewis, Jr. Alabama PG 2020 Tyrese Maxey Kentucky PG 2020 Skylar Mays LSU PG 2020 Immanuel Quickley Kentucky PG 2020 Darius Garland Vanderbilt G 2019 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Kentucky PG 2018 Collin Sexton Alabama PG 2018 De'Aaron Fox Kentucky PG 2017 Alex Caruso Texas A&M G 2016 Josh Richardson Tennessee G 2015 Jordan Clarkson Missouri G 2014 Garrett Temple LSU G 2009 Patrick Beverley Arkansas PG 2009 The big ten has facilitated an institution of garbage basketball from the Big Ten executive level to referees that prevents its basketball teams from drafting and developing top level guards. The Big 12 has 21 Keyonte George Baylor G 2023 Markquis Nowell Kansas State PG 2023 Jeremy Sochan Baylor SG 2022 Kendall Brown Baylor G 2022 Quentin Grimes Houston SG 2021 Miles McBride West Virginia G 2021 Jared Butler Baylor PG 2021 Davion Mitchell Baylor PG 2021 Austin Reaves Oklahoma PG 2021 Desmond Bane TCU SG 2020 Lindy Waters III Oklahoma State SG 2020 Tyrese Haliburton Iowa State PG 2020 Lindell Wigginton Iowa State SG 2019 Jevon Carter West Virginia PG 2018 Devonte' Graham Kansas PG 2018 Trae Young Oklahoma PG 2018 Monte Morris Iowa State G 2017 Buddy Hield Oklahoma G 2016 Marcus Smart Oklahoma State PG 2014 Alec Burks Colorado SG 2011 Cory Joseph Texas PG 2011 The Pac 12 has 29 Amari Bailey UCLA G 6-3 2023 Jules Bernard UCLA SG 6-6 2022 Johnny Juzang UCLA SG 6-5 2022 Dalen Terry Arizona PG 6-7 2022 Josh Christopher Arizona State G 6-4 2021 Chris Duarte Oregon PG 6-5 2021 Josh Green Arizona SG 6-5 2020 Malachi Flynn San Diego State PG 6-1 2020 Payton Pritchard Oregon PG 6-1 2020 Jaylen Nowell Washington SG 6-4 2019 Luguentz Dort Arizona State PG 6-4 2019 De'Anthony Melton USC SG 6-3 2018 Jordan McLaughlin USC G 6-0 2018 Aaron Holiday UCLA PG 6-0 2018 Derrick White Colorado G 6-4 2017 Lonzo Ball UCLA PG 6-6 2017 Markelle Fultz Washington PG 6-4 2017 Dejounte Murray Washington SG 6-5 2016 Gary Payton II Oregon State G 6-2 2016 Norman Powell UCLA SG 6-4 2015 T.J. McConnell Arizona G 6-1 2015 Delon Wright Utah G 6-5 2015 Zach LaVine UCLA SG 6-5 2014 Spencer Dinwiddie Colorado PG 6-5 2014 Klay Thompson Washington State G 6-6 2011 James Harden Arizona State SG 6-5 2009 Jrue Holiday UCLA G 6-4 2009 Russell Westbrook UCLA G 6-4 2008 The big ten is worst power 5 conference at producing NBA level guards. This isn't an Indiana problem it's a big ten problem. In the era of guard driven basketball the Big Ten will routinely fall behind until it decides to allow a more free flowing type of basketball. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Probably was told he wouldn't have free rein to take the terrible shots he had taken the last 3 years. There is a reason that UNC wasn't sorry to see him leave I’d happily take a guard that plays freely on this team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cthomas Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SawatchHoosier said: remember I'm an idiot Me too! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danomatic Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, NCHoosier32 said: my frustration (and this isn't aimed necessarily at you) is i don't see why we wouldn't have high expectations this season. only argument is we lost a lot from our roster. that said, most high level teams do these days. transfer portal, early NBA, etc. new world of college bball is that the roster is going to change a lot every year. so we have three 5 star guys, a 6th year PG, and a returning starter from last season. that's not as much talent as most? The primary factor in what I saw going into the season was the guards. You need high quality guards to be able to sustain success at this level. When we didn’t land a difference maker in the portal at the guard position, my expectations changed for this team. Again, I really like our guys, but I didn’t realistically see this team competing for a B1G title or much more once we decided to pocket the last scholarship. Indiana has been most successful when we’ve had great guard play. And for whatever reason, we just haven’t landed much since 2015. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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