5fouls Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Hermann may feel that FAU can be a quicker turnaround to help him get back into a higher tier job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, IUFLA said: If we're paying $15 mil to get Tom Allen out the door, then it makes no sense to me to not go all in... And if I was one of the people who are dishing out that money, a parallel or slight upgrade would really steam me... The people who are worried about IU getting left out in the cold when the Pangaea conference is formed are right... I 100% agree with you. We BETTER go all in. I'm just saying that you can't force that person (whomever it may be) to accept the money and the job. Dolson can lay it all out there, but at the end of the day we still may not have enough to sell the top candidates. I'm hoping this doesn't happen, but it is a realistic possibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Also most of the he things that get leaked out are probably not true. They always say during they trade deadline, draft and free agency 95% of the things you here are not true. I would say a lot of this things are leaked out by agents to get their clients more money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDB Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Toledo Offenses Under Candle as Head Coach 2016: 9-4 (6-2) Total Offense - #30 (460.9 YPG) Scoring Offense - #31 (35.0 PPG) Passing Offense - #40 (253.0 YPG) Rushing Offense - #27 (207.9 YPG) 2017: 11-3 (7-1) Total Offense - #7 (517.8 YPG) Scoring Offense - #19 (38.0 PPG) Passing Offense - #10 (322.8 YPG) Rushing Offense - #46 (195.0 YPG) 2018: 7-6 (5-3) Total Offense - #14 (483.9 YPG) Scoring Offense - #16 (36.4 PPG) Passing Offense - #26 (279.9 YPG) Rushing Offense - #29 (204.0 YPG) 2019: 6-6 (3-5) Total Offense - #30 (443.8 YPG) Scoring Offense - #9 (40.4 PPG) Passing Offense - #68 (227.9 YPG) Rushing Offense - #25 (215.9 YPG) 2020: 4-2 (4-2) Total Offense - #13 (494.0 YPG) Scoring Offense - #21 (35.0 PPG) Passing Offense - #9 (325.8 YPG) Rushing Offense - #60 (168.2 YPG) 2021: 7-6 (5-3) Total Offense - #38 (435.5 YPG) Scoring Offense - #27 (33.4 PPG) Passing Offense - #61 (239.1 YPG) Rushing Offense - #30 (196.5 YPG) 2022: 9-5 (5-3) Total Offense - #54 (402.6 YPG) Scoring Offense - #46 (31.3 PPG) Passing Offense - #75 (225.2 YPG) Rushing Offense - #48 (177.4 YPG) 2023: 11-1 (8-0) Total Offense - #32 (430.9 YPG) Scoring Offense - #20 (35.2 PPG) Passing Offense - #72 (219.3 YPG) Rushing Offense - #7 (211.6 YPG) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 The Toledo coach is the one I wanted. Probably used IU to get a big raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: I'm optimistic about almost anyone because Allen was so bad. Nice guy but terrible at running a program. Obviously you haven’t been around IU football that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: BTB post under a Next IU Coach type heading says both the Kent St and Toledo coaches signed extensions. Sorry if this has already been posted, but I hadn’t seen it. I think the extensions were signed a year or two back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: BTB post under a Next IU Coach type heading says both the Kent St and Toledo coaches signed extensions. Sorry if this has already been posted, but I hadn’t seen it. Candle signed his in Jan.. wouldn't worry about it. I don't think Kent State's coach is in the running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDB Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 My Wish List: 1. Candle 2. Herman 3A. Sean Lewis 3B. Chryst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: I think the extensions were signed a year or two back. Ahhh…okay. Sorry! Pay no attention to the old guy bumbling around the internet! 😂😂😂 Edited November 28, 2023 by jv1972iu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, FritzIam4IU said: I think the extensions were signed a year or two back. It’s a done deal people. This search crap is all smoke and mirrors. Giving them time to get all the ducks in a row. Downgrade hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: BTB post under a Next IU Coach type heading says both the Kent St and Toledo coaches signed extensions. Sorry if this has already been posted, but I hadn’t seen it. Look at the date when those were posted.....Candles was 10 months ago and Lewis' was 2 years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, KDB said: My Wish List: 1. Candle 2. Herman 3A. Sean Lewis 3B. Chryst Very similar, except I would switch Candle and Herman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jv1972iu said: Ahhh…okay. Sorry! No worries....easy to miss the dates. I think Candle has a 750,000 buyout....maybe 650,000 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDB Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, FritzIam4IU said: Very similar, except I would switch Candle and Herman. Hard to argue with. Herman probably has the best resume of any candidate realistically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, jojo123 said: It’s a done deal people. This search crap is all smoke and mirrors. Giving them time to get all the ducks in a row. Downgrade hire. Still trying to figure out where you're coming from.... and to be clear... you're saying we are without a doubt hiring Frye and he is 100% a downgrade from Allen? Again.. your words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KDB said: Hard to argue with. Herman probably has the best resume of any candidate realistically. I could get behind Lewis and Chryst as well....provided Chryst was actually willing to make a big effort in recruiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Still trying to figure out where you're coming from.... and to be clear... you're saying we are without a doubt hiring Frye and he is 100% a downgrade from Allen? Again.. your words. Looks like he is an attention whore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: No worries....easy to miss the dates. I think Candle has a 750,000 buyout....maybe 650,000 now. Wake me when they make the announcement…okay? 😴 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Looks like he is an attention whore He's getting what he wants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: Do you think NC State coach makes too much money to be considered a legitimate candidate? Or do you think he’s loyal to NC State? If I’m IU he’s just instantly top of my list. I don't know. It could be all of that or it could be his name just hasn't surfaced yet. Like I've said that list isn't a final one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, btownqb said: Still trying to figure out where you're coming from.... and to be clear... you're saying we are without a doubt hiring Frye and he is 100% a downgrade from Allen? Again.. your words. That's what he's saying and he's sticking to his story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) David Braun had zero HC coaching experience. NW is going bowling in Year 1. In fact... his coaching experience is incredibly light. Edited November 28, 2023 by btownqb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: I'm optimistic about almost anyone because Allen was so bad. Nice guy but terrible at running a program. I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I think it's worth a discussion when talking about potential hires. CTA made many questionable calls, both on the field and off. He was/is likely too loyal and too invested in the players and coaches on a human level (aka, a normal guy). It always seemed integrity and character-building opportunities were as important to him as winning (and dare I say, maybe even more). Allen is a great motivator and is vocal about his desires to be a "leader of men". Again, very noble and commendable. But as a football coach -- fair or not -- winning is the only metric that matters. Whereas CTA wanted high-character guys who are good at football, the really successful coaches want highly talented players who also happen to have good character. It's a small but important distinction. The next coach needs to demand excellence on the field (and from his staff) first. A relentless pursuit to be the best between the lines. If you're not doing your job, you're not sticking around. And maybe it's sociopathic, but the loyalty (in this context) should be to the skill and not the person. Edited November 28, 2023 by MoyeCowbell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 I have a hard time with Frye. He’s kind of like Carey but behind by ten years. He’d have to be amazing with other attributes which I just don’t know. I do NOT want us on a track where we hire somebody just because of IU ties, ex-IU players be damned. Too big of a hire to limit it to that. It’s not like we are Alabama where our internal list is full of success. Just IMO. I know some of you disagree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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