jojo123 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Wait a minute, I thought you said he'd already made his hire in Frye? He has. So why not announce it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, jojo123 said: Do you think he made the decision to fire Allen all on his own? Please tell me you don’t think that? Well the AD hardly ever makes hiring and firing decisions on their own at any level of athletics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, jojo123 said: He has. So why not announce it. Probably because it hasn't happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, rogue3542 said: That worked 30 years ago, but the sport is played entirely differently today. You can’t build a smash mouth football team that will compete in the Big Ten from nothing, at least not in the time frame that will keep a coach his job. If you’re not getting close to 30 points a game, you’re not going to win consistently. With such a team we will look like a version of Iowa that loses instead of wins. Respectfully disagree. With the transfer portal, you can build a serviceable line quickly while also building the long-term, homegrown depth in the lines. Michigan has relied heavily on the portal to rebuild its o-line the past two years, and is on the verge of a 3rd straight CFP. I'm not saying that the same Wisconsin scheme is the ticket today, but rather that IU should be following the same philosophy of building around what your home recruiting base is producing. In this case, it's linemen. And Michigan and Iowa have proven that power football still wins in the B1G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 59 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said: Urban Meyer went to Utah after the MAC and proved himself. I just don’t want to see IU hire the next Darrell Hazell. Kansas hired a guy from Buffalo which is the MAC and he has done well Wasn't Campbell at Iowa St from the MAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, HoosierFan997 said: Is there any interest there? Not really. Dolson wants someone with real HC experience. IU football can't take that kind of risk right now imo. Even though it would be a cool hire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: Kansas hired a guy from Buffalo which is the MAC and he has done well Wasn't Campbell at Iowa St from the MAC He was the HC at Toledo before Candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, DC2345 said: He was the HC at Toledo before Candle. Thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Is someone saying that Justin Frye has rumored to have been hired? Or am I reading it wrong? I sure hope not. That would be disastrous. OSU fans would applaud it. They can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, iuthruandthru said: Urban Meyer went to Utah after the MAC and proved himself. I just don’t want to see IU hire the next Darrell Hazell. Also Utah is a better program than IU and they took a chance on Myer even though he was from the MAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Fkfootball said: Is someone saying that Justin Frye has rumored to have been hired? Or am I reading it wrong? I sure hope not. That would be disastrous. OSU fans would applaud it. They can't stand him. That is what one person is saying, yes. I don't see any reason at all to believe that to be true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2014Hoosier Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Mr. Coach Klein would be a good fit. I mean he did win the Bourbon Bowl. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdgenhoosier Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Also Utah is a better program than IU and they took a chance on Myer even though he was from the MAC I don't know that they were when Meyer was hired. They weren't part of the Pac-10/12 until after he was hired. They had one Mountain West championships in the 90s and one WAC championship before Meyer was hired and then you have to go back to the 60s. I know IUs history well, but when Utah hired Meyer I would not say that they were a better program. Meyer put them on the map. But yes, we screwed the pooch on not giving him a chance. Was that Donninger? (sp?) Edited November 27, 2023 by thirdgenhoosier 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Kansas hired a guy from Buffalo which is the MAC and he has done well Turner Gill? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 If we hired Justin Frye, it's a good thing we are already used to winning 3-4 games a year. That guy is NOT HC material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: Respectfully disagree. With the transfer portal, you can build a serviceable line quickly while also building the long-term, homegrown depth in the lines. Michigan has relied heavily on the portal to rebuild its o-line the past two years, and is on the verge of a 3rd straight CFP. I'm not saying that the same Wisconsin scheme is the ticket today, but rather that IU should be following the same philosophy of building around what your home recruiting base is producing. In this case, it's linemen. And Michigan and Iowa have proven that power football still wins in the B1G. Iowa is in for a rude awakening now that divisions are going away unless they get better on offense quickly. We will never recruit like Michigan does. We absolutely need good lines; I’m with you there, but building your team around the running game in 2023 is going to be losing football far more often than it’s going to be winning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuthruandthru Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Kansas hired a guy from Buffalo which is the MAC and he has done well Wasn't Campbell at Iowa St from the MAC Not saying Candle isn’t a good choice, it just won’t get anyone excited including me. Tressel came from Youngstown St. it’s fine to keep pulling names out like you are doing but the point is the tradition IU fan won’t care. Is the Candle hire gonna sell tickets? Nope. And maybe that’s fine for the administration but it’s the same old IU football in my mind. Time to be bold and flashy. Personally that means even ARE over Candle.* *Note: if Candle is hired I hope he kills it and I have to eat crow after crapping all over him now 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 I've skimmed through the last couple of pages. And, I'm going to have to side with @btownqb on this one. Discounting ARE because he has not been a head coach would be a mistake. The majority of the guys getting named in this thread are looking for a P5 gig they can turn into a better P5 gig. So, we make the 'right' hire and get someone to get us to 6-6 in 2 years, with an opportunity to play a bowl game in Detroit, only for him to get the chance to go somewhere like South Carolina because of the 'great' job he did at IU? Is that what we want? Or, do we say, 'What the Hell' and take a chance on one of our own who will stay at IU and build off that 6-6 record. If it doesn't work, we're no worse off because we'll be replacing the other guy in 3-4 years regardless (either because he did not win or does win and moves on). I'll take the 'What the Hell approach', thank you very much. It takes the risk of losing a coach whose winning out of the equation. I can't stress how important that is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuthruandthru Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 41 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Also Utah is a better program than IU and they took a chance on Myer even though he was from the MAC You’re never gonna change my mind. Time to be bold and flashy, and so not traditional IU football. Maybe it fails but at least it won’t be boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: I've skimmed through the last couple of pages. And, I'm going to have to side with @btownqb on this one. Discounting ARE because he has not been a head coach would be a mistake. The majority of the guys getting named in this thread are looking for a P5 gig they can turn into a better P5 gig. So, we make the 'right' hire and get someone to get us to 6-6 in 2 years, with an opportunity to play a bowl game in Detroit, only for him to get the chance to go somewhere like South Carolina because of the 'great' job he did at IU? Is that what we want? Or, do we say, 'What the Hell' and take a chance on one of our own who will stay at IU and build off that 6-6 record. If it doesn't work, we're no worse off because we'll be replacing the other guy in 3-4 years regardless (either because he did not win or does win and moves on). I'll take the 'What the Hell approach', thank you very much. It takes the risk of losing a coach whose winning out of the equation. I can't stress how important that is. You summed up my opinion very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 I mean, seriously, we only need to look to our 'friends' in W. Lafayette to see what the average coach has in mind once he starts winning at a place like IU or Purdue. Brohm did to the Boilers exactly what any of our list (outside of ARE) will do to us. Are we that desperate to have that fleeting 1-2 year opportunity to hang with the 'cool kids', all the while still being thought of as a lesser program even if we do go 8-4 or 9-3? That better offer comes and some rando coach will do to IU the same thing Brohm did to the Boikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 31 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I've skimmed through the last couple of pages. And, I'm going to have to side with @btownqb on this one. Discounting ARE because he has not been a head coach would be a mistake. The majority of the guys getting named in this thread are looking for a P5 gig they can turn into a better P5 gig. So, we make the 'right' hire and get someone to get us to 6-6 in 2 years, with an opportunity to play a bowl game in Detroit, only for him to get the chance to go somewhere like South Carolina because of the 'great' job he did at IU? Is that what we want? Or, do we say, 'What the Hell' and take a chance on one of our own who will stay at IU and build off that 6-6 record. If it doesn't work, we're no worse off because we'll be replacing the other guy in 3-4 years regardless (either because he did not win or does win and moves on). I'll take the 'What the Hell approach', thank you very much. It takes the risk of losing a coach whose winning out of the equation. I can't stress how important that is. When is the last time a coach used Indiana as a stepping stone? Not hiring the best coach we can because we have a fear of something happening, that hasn't happened in a very long time seems silly to me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I mean, seriously, we only need to look to our 'friends' in W. Lafayette to see what the average coach has in mind once he starts winning at a place like IU or Purdue. Brohm did to the Boilers exactly what any of our list (outside of ARE) will do to us. Are we that desperate to have that fleeting 1-2 year opportunity to hang with the 'cool kids', all the while still being thought of as a lesser program even if we do go 8-4 or 9-3? That better offer comes and some rando coach will do to IU the same thing Brohm did to the Boikers. I am desperate and want to hang with the cool kids. I would take 8-4 or 9-3. 😜 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said: You’re never gonna change my mind. Time to be bold and flashy, and so not traditional IU football. Maybe it fails but at least it won’t be boring. I couldn't care less about flashy, just give me the best coach possible. Just like Sanders at Colorado was flashy but I wouldn't want him at IU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I mean, seriously, we only need to look to our 'friends' in W. Lafayette to see what the average coach has in mind once he starts winning at a place like IU or Purdue. Brohm did to the Boilers exactly what any of our list (outside of ARE) will do to us. Are we that desperate to have that fleeting 1-2 year opportunity to hang with the 'cool kids', all the while still being thought of as a lesser program even if we do go 8-4 or 9-3? That better offer comes and some rando coach will do to IU the same thing Brohm did to the Boikers. Brohm went home. He didn't just leave Purdue for the first offer better than Purdue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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