IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Not true at all... All through the 70s the vast majority of teams averaged over 100 points a game... I am talking about when Woodson was an assistant with Pistons under Larry Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: I am talking about when Woodson was an assistant with Pistons under Larry Brown In that case, then yes... 90s we're about average... But that's not the way I interpreted your response to the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: In that case, then yes... 90s we're about average... But that's not the way I interpreted your response to the question We were talking about Woodson's defense and if he used the same defense in the NBA. Back then they used the 3 a lot less so this kind of defense probably worked better because the close outs wasn't as long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We were talking about Woodson's defense and if he used the same defense in the NBA. Back then they used the 3 a lot less so this kind of defense probably worked better because the close outs wasn't as long. Not sure why you're isolating this Pistons team though? Woodson wasn't even a head coach at that point. He was an NBA head coach as recently as 2013-14 and an assistant as recently as 2020-21. It's not like he hasn't coached in the modern NBA, and in the modern NBA you can't play defense with that overhelping. With all of that said, I think the point still applies to his Pistons days as well. The shooting and passing in the NBA has always been too good for that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, BGleas said: Not sure why you're isolating this Pistons team though? Woodson wasn't even a head coach at that point. He was an NBA head coach as recently as 2013-14 and an assistant as recently as 2020-21. It's not like he hasn't coached in the modern NBA, and in the modern NBA you can't play defense with that overhelping. With all of that said, I think the point still applies to his Pistons days as well. The shooting and passing in the NBA has always been too good for that. I’m just baffled on why he wouldn’t bring the NBA defense to college? Where and why does he have this philosophy it’s maddening to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Does anyone know if he had good defensive teams in NBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BGleas said: Not sure why you're isolating this Pistons team though? Woodson wasn't even a head coach at that point. He was an NBA head coach as recently as 2013-14 and an assistant as recently as 2020-21. It's not like he hasn't coached in the modern NBA, and in the modern NBA you can't play defense with that overhelping. With all of that said, I think the point still applies to his Pistons days as well. The shooting and passing in the NBA has always been too good for that. Because I am pretty sure Woodson said Larry Brown is who influenced him on how he wanted to play defense. Could he wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, 5 championships said: I’m just baffled on why he wouldn’t bring the NBA defense to college? Where and why does he have this philosophy it’s maddening to watch. You probably wouldn't want how most of the NBA teams play defense today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Because I am pretty sure Woodson said Larry Brown is who influenced him on how he wanted to play defense. Could he wrong Ok, but he's got 8.5 years as a head coach that he can be judged on in terms of his style, and those years are closer to the modern style. Regardless, the point is that overhelping would never work in the NBA on a consistent basis and a scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: You probably wouldn't want how most of the NBA teams play defense today. A college team would struggle to get a shot against an NBA team, especially if they played college rules/officiating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: A college team would struggle to get a shot against an NBA team, especially if they played college rules/officiating. Really, never would figure that out. Just saying most teams gives up 110+ points which probably be the equivalent of a college team giving up 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Really, never would figure that out. Just saying most teams gives up 110+ points which probably be the equivalent of a college team giving up 85 That’s more to do with the quality of the offense than the quality of the defense. I can’t imagine going through life as angry as you seem to be today. You okay bud? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: That’s more to do with the quality of the offense than the quality of the defense. I can’t imagine going through life as angry as you seem to be today. You okay bud? Who is mad,nothing I posted has been an angry response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Who is mad,nothing I posted has been an angry response. You okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: You okay? I am great, two of my granddaughters are here for the weekend. Just got them to bed and it has been a great holiday.. watching the Pacers and all of this great defense in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: I am great, two of my granddaughters are here for the weekend. Just got them to bed and it has been a great holiday.. watching the Pacers and all of this great defense in the NBA. Is your takeaway from the pacers game really that NBA defenses are worse than college? I see some insanely talented players making great plays and shots. The shot and play making vs college is night and day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kdug said: Is your takeaway from the pacers game really that NBA defenses are worse than college? I see some insanely talented players making great plays and shots. The shot and play making vs college is night and day. I will say there is a lot of players resting on the defensive end. If they would put consistent effort then the defense would be a lot better. You can't think the Pacers are a good defensive team. They give up over 124 ppg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: I will say there is a lot of players resting on the defensive end. If they would put consistent effort then the defense would be a lot better. You can't think the Pacers are a good defensive team. They give up over 124 ppg They play 48 minutes and a 24 second shot clock. They are also playing NBA teams that have several multi-dimensional players, unlike college. Compared to other NBA teams they aren’t good on defense. Compared to college teams, they’d be the best defensive team by a country mile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Defenses in the NBA are way more sophisticated than in college. The difference is that in the NBA the rules make it almost impossible to play defense and the offensive players are infinitely better than in college. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, BGleas said: Defenses in the NBA are way more sophisticated than in college. The difference is that in the NBA the rules make it almost impossible to play defense and the offensive players are infinitely better than in college. The Pacers could beat Purdue by over 100 if they played college rules and college refs. It would be like 130 - 30. The skill gap between an average NBA team and the best college team is enormous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: The Pacers could beat Purdue by over 100 if they played college rules and college refs. It would be like 130 - 30. The skill gap between an average NBA team and the best college team is enormous. Absolutely, and so are the defensive schemes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Wow... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, Kdug said: They play 48 minutes and a 24 second shot clock. They are also playing NBA teams that have several multi-dimensional players, unlike college. Compared to other NBA teams they aren’t good on defense. Compared to college teams, they’d be the best defensive team by a country mile. Didn't say the college defense was better. Just commenting on someone saying why Woodson didn't bring the NBA defense with him. I was pretty much joking because most teams are giving up a lot of points. I think giving up 110 in the NBA is a equivalent of a college team giving up 85 points which nobody would be happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, BGleas said: Wow... He really did do that in NBA. No wonder he was fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, BGleas said: Wow... I think that clip is from the year after the good year, when he got fired in the middle of the season. No idea what went into the roster construction changes, but from the year they made ECSF to the year he got fired they changed from a guard heavy lineup to a big heavy lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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