Joe_Hoopsier Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Hoosier4Life53 said: Wishful thinking 😄 I gave you a confused emoji, not because I looked it up. I gave it thinking, DANG, #76 - #299 must be dang close then and all of our worries were put into context. ..... And then you corrected it, so everyone can go back to worrying.. hahaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Well… January is going to tell us a lot. Probably only will be favored to win at home against Minnesota and at home against Iowa. Probably need to find a way to go 5-3 for the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2023/12/30/iu-basketball-enters-big-ten-schedule-needing-to-be-better-everywhere/71990545007/ “Maybe this is all Indiana is. Maybe the Hoosiers are nothing more than a mediocre team (No. 87 in KenPom at time of writing) with too few strengths and too many limitations to play their way into the tournament come March.” “The Hoosiers need Xavier Johnson back. They need the best of Trey Galloway basically all the time. They need to shoot more 3s and allow far fewer of them. They need to be better on both offense and defense, and according to Pomeroy’s current forecasts, they’re projected within six points either way — favorite or underdog — in 13 of their remaining 18 Big Ten games.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2023/12/30/iu-basketball-enters-big-ten-schedule-needing-to-be-better-everywhere/71990545007/ “Maybe this is all Indiana is. Maybe the Hoosiers are nothing more than a mediocre team (No. 87 in KenPom at time of writing) with too few strengths and too many limitations to play their way into the tournament come March.” “The Hoosiers need Xavier Johnson back. They need the best of Trey Galloway basically all the time. They need to shoot more 3s and allow far fewer of them. They need to be better on both offense and defense, and according to Pomeroy’s current forecasts, they’re projected within six points either way — favorite or underdog — in 13 of their remaining 18 Big Ten games.” Say it ain’t so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Completely unnecessary overhelping is killing our defense. We're not even making the offense work for completely wide open 3's. It's like half a dribble toward the lane and one pass...boom wide open 3. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 minute ago, BGleas said: Completely unnecessary overhelping is killing our defense. We're not even making the offense work for completely wide open 3's. It's like half a dribble toward the lane and one pass...boom wide open 3. I’m convinced it’s just Woody’s scheme at this point. 🤷🏻♂️ Only works if we’re rebounding machines and are able to make volume threes ourselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: I’m convinced it’s just Woody’s scheme at this point. 🤷🏻♂️ Only works if we’re rebounding machines and are able to make volume threes ourselves. My opinion is that it's all tied to the overhelping. You see in that clip the overhelping has us constantly out of position, resulting in flying by shooters and pump fakes, which causes even more scrambling and helping. All of that results in giving up open shots, driving lanes and ultimately offensive rebounds. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, BGleas said: Completely unnecessary overhelping is killing our defense. We're not even making the offense work for completely wide open 3's. It's like half a dribble toward the lane and one pass...boom wide open 3. Great cut up by Tony! I am not a coach but I noticed the same thing. The other thing that’s hard to see in those cut ups is the fact that we often sit in a help situation even where it becomes illogical. Like if you are weighing your risks, you select the wrong one. I honestly think this is a big reason for why we give up 3’s at an alarming rate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Great cut up by Tony! I am not a coach but I noticed the same thing. The other thing that’s hard to see in those cut ups is the fact that we often sit in a help situation even where it becomes illogical. Like if you are weighing your risks, you select the wrong one. I honestly think this is a big reason for why we give up 3’s at an alarming rate. Our staff has also stated that we think we can be the team that wins by getting a lot of twos and guarding twos. It’s schematic and intentional IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, BGleas said: My opinion is that it's all tied to the overhelping. You see in that clip the overhelping has us constantly out of position, resulting in flying by shooters and pump fakes, which causes even more scrambling and helping. All of that results in giving up open shots, driving lanes and ultimately offensive rebounds. It’s brutal!! I’m so sick of watching it… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, BGleas said: Completely unnecessary overhelping is killing our defense. We're not even making the offense work for completely wide open 3's. It's like half a dribble toward the lane and one pass...boom wide open 3. Yep. The slightest dribble penetration causes next closest defender to step out of position and a quick little pass to the wing finds a guy stepping right into a rhythm three. One our offense is mostly incapable of producing for some reason or another. Maybe once X returns and can get into the paint at will. Doubt it. That still doesn't change the defensive philosophy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Mike or someone in the press needs to be asking some questions on his scheme because it’s terrible defense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Our staff has also stated that we think we can be the team that wins by getting a lot of twos and guarding twos. It’s schematic and intentional IMO. It’s absolutely intentional. We’ve seen it now for 3 years. Similar to some of the head scratching subbing…CMW is absolutely convinced this is the way to go despite some glaring evidence that shows otherwise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Great cut up by Tony! I am not a coach but I noticed the same thing. The other thing that’s hard to see in those cut ups is the fact that we often sit in a help situation even where it becomes illogical. Like if you are weighing your risks, you select the wrong one. I honestly think this is a big reason for why we give up 3’s at an alarming rate. Yup, that's exactly what I mean when I've been saying "unnecessary overhelping". We do it in situations where there's no need. We set-up in overhelp before anything has even happened to cause helpside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BGleas said: Yup, that's exactly what I mean when I've been saying "unnecessary overhelping". We do it in situations where there's no need. We set-up in overhelp before anything has even happened to cause helpside. As most are aware, we also have tremendous shot blocking/rim protection. You would think this would limit the extreme and unnecessary overhelping. Edited December 30, 2023 by Hoosier987 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said: As most are aware, we also have tremendous shot blocking/rim protection. You would think this would limit the extreme and unnecessary overhelping. That's partly what is so puzzling about it. You'd think we'd funnel guys into Ware and protect the perimeter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, BGleas said: That's partly what is so puzzling about it. You'd think we'd funnel guys into Ware and protect the perimeter. Makes no sense…the question is where did he get this?? He didn’t scheme this way in the NBA did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Makes no sense…the question is where did he get this?? He didn’t scheme this way in the NBA did he? I can't imagine he did in the NBA. You'll get torched playing like that in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, BGleas said: I can't imagine he did in the NBA. You'll get torched playing like that in the NBA. Exactly what I thought. I’m just struggling to understand the philosophy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BGleas said: I can't imagine he did in the NBA. You'll get torched playing like that in the NBA. But when he started coaching in Detroit the league was so much different. They had the top rated defense in the NBA but teams didn't shoot the 3 like they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: But when he started coaching in Detroit the league was so much different. They had the top rated defense in the NBA but teams didn't shoot the 3 like they do now. Not really the point. I'm sure the defense IU is running today is somewhat different than what the Detroit Pistons ran 20 years ago. Regardless of the era, you can't overhelp that much in the NBA and get away with it. The shooters are too good. That Pistons teams also had phenomenal individual defensive talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, BGleas said: Not really the point. I'm sure the defense IU is running today is somewhat different than what the Detroit Pistons ran 20 years ago. Regardless of the era, you can't overhelp that much in the NBA and get away with it. The shooters are too good. That Pistons teams also had phenomenal individual defensive talent. The thing is that that back then the close outs were shorter because they didn't spread the floor out like they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The thing is that that back then the close outs were shorter because they didn't spread the floor out like they do now. I mean, it's not like it is today, but we're also not talking about 1972 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, BGleas said: I mean, it's not like it is today, but we're also not talking about 1972 either. That era is when a lot of the games were lucky to get into the 90's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, IU Scott said: That era is when a lot of the games were lucky to get into the 90's Not true at all... All through the 70s the vast majority of teams averaged over 100 points a game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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