btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kdug said: I mean we ranked 351st in 3 point rate last year and 354th the year before last. So no, then offense really hasn’t generated many 3 point looks compared to other teams. The offseason comments by Woodson and the players are promising, but 3 point shooting has been an afterthought on offense thus far. Miller Kopp got correct amount of looks when we had the personnel to get him looks... fact or not fact? If not, how many more 3s should he have gotten per 25 mins than 5? Edited September 20 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Miller Kopp got correct amount of looks when we had the personnel to get him looks... fact or not fact? If not, how many more 3s should he have gotten per 25 mins than 5? Not fact. Miller wasn’t even in the top 25 in the big ten in 3 point attempts per game in 2023 and he led our team. We were in the top 40 in 3 point percentage as a team, but bottom 10 in 3 point rate that year. That’s a sign that we either didn’t generate enough looks, or were way too passive in taking the available looks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Just now, Kdug said: Not fact. Miller wasn’t even in the top 25 in the big ten in 3 point attempts per game in 2023 and he led our team. We were in the top 40 in 3 point percentage as a team, but bottom 10 in 3 point rate that year. That’s a sign that we either didn’t generate enough looks, or were way too passive in taking the available looks. I don't really think that's what the data is telling you. 5 per 25 mins is more than plenty, for someone like Miller. Who truly cannot create his own looks... not bad at all. using all the games in the 2023 season isn't what I was discussing. he avged quite a bit more looks per mins played when XJ wasn't hurt. Again... 5 3s per 25 mins when XJ was playing vs. 3.7 per 32 mins when XJ wasn't playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Tominga-- 5.1 in 25 mins Essigian-- 5.5 in 27 mins Spencer-- 4.9 in 32 mins McNeil-- 4.6 in 30 mins All looks pretty pretty close to---- 4.8 3s per game in 25 mins. Then factor in Miller's inability to ever get his own shot... 💁♂️ I agree, we need to take more 3s, we need to play more perimeter-oriented.... I do not agree that drawing up plays, two years ago, for Miller Kopp was going to result in an efficient way to score the basketball. We need better guards/creators (Rice, Carlyle) Malik, Cupps, TG all a year older. And hopefully MM has continued development off the bounce to get shots for others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: I don't really think that's what the data is telling you. 5 per 25 mins is more than plenty, for someone like Miller. Who truly cannot create his own looks... not bad at all. using all the games in the 2023 season isn't what I was discussing. he avged quite a bit more looks per mins played when XJ wasn't hurt. Again... 5 3s per 25 mins when XJ was playing vs. 3.7 per 32 mins when XJ wasn't playing. The data is very clear here, IU hasn’t shot many threes in any of the past 3 seasons. XJ being hurt could explain some of it, but we were still only ranked 322nd in 3 point rate his first year. Again, using the 2022-2023 season as an example. Every single other big ten team had at least one player who shot more threes per game than Kopp, and ten teams had two guys with more attempts per game. And Miller played 30 mpg that year and shot 44% from 3. That’s the exact type of guy you get as many looks as you can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdgenhoosier Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Hey can we get back to Mullins? Does the visit start today? Does the rumor of Haralson being back on campus have anything to do with Mullins? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Just now, thirdgenhoosier said: Hey can we get back to Mullins? Does the visit start today? Does the rumor of Haralson being back on campus have anything to do with Mullins? I’d hope so. Those two together woukd be hard as hell to guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kdug said: The data is very clear here, IU hasn’t shot many threes in any of the past 3 seasons. XJ being hurt could explain some of it, but we were still only ranked 322nd in 3 point rate his first year. Again, using the 2022-2023 season as an example. Every single other big ten team had at least one player who shot more threes per game than Kopp, and ten teams had two guys with more attempts per game. And Miller played 30 mpg that year and shot 44% from 3. That’s the exact type of guy you get as many looks as you can. We weren't talking about the team as a whole lol ...so if you're discussing the team as a whole, there isn't a reason to quote me. Miller, specifically, had enough run for him. 25 mins per game--- 5 attempts. Very solid. Miller played 32 mpg AFTER XJ went down. He was at 25 mpg before that happened. Context. Again, the amount of plays we ran for Miller was not an issue. The issue was--- lack of guard depth, two years in a row. Absolutely no guys other than JHS and TG last season who could break you down off the dribble and put the defense in a rotation. When we had multiple guys--- pre-- XJ getting hurt... Kopp was shooting 5 3s per 25 mins played... which is very solid. Edited September 20 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 6 minutes ago, thirdgenhoosier said: Hey can we get back to Mullins? Does the visit start today? Does the rumor of Haralson being back on campus have anything to do with Mullins? Where is that rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Where is that rumor? One of those IU hq podcasters mentioned it. I’ll do some digging on it. Try to get the soundbite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 @btownqb https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdfpaTTMlnEZKxXamA4FK6LLuSuPD92b_?si=AlEE7YHwXOQqkXPg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 4 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said: @btownqb https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdfpaTTMlnEZKxXamA4FK6LLuSuPD92b_?si=AlEE7YHwXOQqkXPg "he says there's a rumor"... who's he? and thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 23 minutes ago, thirdgenhoosier said: Hey can we get back to Mullins? Does the visit start today? Does the rumor of Haralson being back on campus have anything to do with Mullins? Lol Haralson isn’t back on campus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 (edited) I’ll just leave this here. Edited September 20 by DC2345 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 1 minute ago, btownqb said: "he says there's a rumor"... who's he? and thank you Not sure. Just passing this along. Don’t know if it’s true or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 6 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said: Not sure. Just passing this along. Don’t know if it’s true or not. It’s not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 8 minutes ago, DC2345 said: It’s not I actually hope you are wrong….nothing personal.😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 2 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said: I actually hope you are wrong….nothing personal.😝 I’d like to be but I’m not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 22 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I’d like to be but I’m not Doesn’t mean he can’t be on campus tomorrow LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Kentucky saying they still have a shot at Mullins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC2345 Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 I’m tired of Brandon Ramsey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 10 hours ago, DC2345 said: I’m tired of Brandon Ramsey Fair. Why's Kentucky still on his list, though? I have a hard time understanding that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 35 minutes ago, btownqb said: Fair. Why's Kentucky still on his list, though? I have a hard time understanding that. BYU led the country with 32 three point attempts per game. Plenty of shots to go around in Mark Pope's offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Fair. Why's Kentucky still on his list, though? I have a hard time understanding that. Pope is still recruiting him and trying to sell that he could make things work. I don’t think that’ll work in the end but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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