2024 F Kanon Catchings Commits to BYU

[iuswingman]

stlboiler23's check bounced that was meant for Catchings lol  

just kidding

[Drroogh]

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

I'd think one reputation you definitely want to avoid at all costs in this day and age, is that of a program who welches on its NIL promises...

Word gets around fast...

They were holding back money for that 14th scholarship!

[DC2345]

2 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Yeah that’s not at all what happened lol. Not even close. 

It’s what I’ve heard from multiple places that aren’t Purdue biased. The other narrative that’s been floating around Purdue was put out by the program and the Catchings family isn’t happy about it. The handling of this situation will be an interesting topic in recruiting circles for a while. I’m not sure how it will impact Purdue moving forward but I don’t think it will be a great outcome. 

Edited June 7 by DC2345

[Stlboiler23]

22 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

It’s what I’ve heard from multiple places that aren’t Purdue biased. The other narrative that’s been floating around Purdue was put out by the program and the Catchings family isn’t happy about it. The handling of this situation will be an interesting topic in recruiting circles for a while. I’m not sure how it will impact Purdue moving forward but I don’t think it will be a great outcome. 

I mean we’ve been told by multiple people that he never even made it to campus so not sure where that rumor came from.  He had the conversation with Painter over the phone.  No way to know what the post-offense will or won’t look like at this time lol.  Painter always tailors his offense based on his best players.  This team should be much less post-oriented than the last two seasons. 
 

And the NIL part just doesn’t add up either.  Purdue has conversations with players during recruitments about what can and will happen around NIL. He either misheard/didn’t understand what was discussed or decided he wanted more and was denied when he asked for it. 
 

Don’t think this will be a big deal in the future and will blow over soon.  Painter over signing makes a lot more sense now when you think about it. 

Edited June 7 by Stlboiler23

[TheWatShot]

15 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

 Painter over signing makes a lot more sense now when you think about it. 

 

And here is the latest coin that will be inserted into the Purdue propaganda machine: Painter saw this coming and was prepared! Good stuff. 

[Stlboiler23]

11 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

 

And here is the latest coin that will be inserted into the Purdue propaganda machine: Painter saw this coming and was prepared! Good stuff. 

Painter doesn’t over-sign often and knew that Kanon could possibly leave (he literally had to be talked out of a decommitment last year lol).  Not sure why it’s so hard to believe.  His contingency plan was to have someone go off scholarship and have NIL pay for a year.  When a guy decommits and is talked into staying, wouldn’t most smart coaches start planning for it in case it happens again?  

[IU Scott]

20 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Painter doesn’t over-sign often and knew that Kanon could possibly leave (he literally had to be talked out of a decommitment last year lol).  Not sure why it’s so hard to believe.  His contingency plan was to have someone go off scholarship and have NIL pay for a year.  When a guy decommits and is talked into staying, wouldn’t most smart coaches start planning for it in case it happens again?  

I bet your and the Purdue fans were all over Crean when he over signed but when Painter does it that is a good strategy.

[iuswingman]

27 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Painter doesn’t over-sign often and knew that Kanon could possibly leave (he literally had to be talked out of a decommitment last year lol).  Not sure why it’s so hard to believe.  His contingency plan was to have someone go off scholarship and have NIL pay for a year.  When a guy decommits and is talked into staying, wouldn’t most smart coaches start planning for it in case it happens again?  

NCAA might have something to say about that contingency plan.  might as well not have scholarship limits.

[Seeking6]

5 hours ago, DC2345 said:

Purdue didn’t hold up there end on NIL that they told him he’d get. They also had said all along that the offense wasn’t going to be as post oriented without Edey but that’s not changing either. Those two concerns are why the decommit rumors started a few months back. Purdue reassured they’d be fine but when he got to campus this last weekend. Things didn’t seem to be holding up to what was said. 

I was curious about this because Amanda who has something to do with either ticket project or whatever even posted online on 5/29 that there was no way Catchings was going to Purdue. Those circles must hear stuff for sure.

[Stlboiler23]

10 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

NCAA might have something to say about that contingency plan.  might as well not have scholarship limits.

There’s nothing against doing that (at least right now). 

[Stlboiler23]

21 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I bet your and the Purdue fans were all over Crean when he over signed but when Painter does it that is a good strategy.

It’s easier with NIL now compared to back then when it didn’t exist.  And it’s not like Painter does it on the regular.  

[TheWatShot]

24 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I bet your and the Purdue fans were all over Crean when he over signed but when Painter does it that is a good strategy.

Back when Cody Zeller was here, we were oversigned in July until Ron Patterson didn't pass his summer classes. Someone on the team was reportedly going to pay their own way for a year to make room. Purdue fans were howling about how that should be illegal and the NCAA needed to get involved. 

[IU Scott]

4 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Back when Cody Zeller was here, we were oversigned in July until Ron Patterson didn't pass his summer classes. Someone on the team was reportedly going to pay their own way for a year to make room. Purdue fans were howling about how that should be illegal and the NCAA needed to get involved. 

I wasn't a fan of it as well

[iuswingman]

1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said:

There’s nothing against doing that (at least right now). 

getting caught may be unlikely but using NIL to effectively increase your scholarship limit is against the rules.

Edited June 7 by iuswingman

[WRSMick55]

21 hours ago, BeerBQ said:

That’s a really big factor I hadn’t thought of. There’s a good chance that is at least part of it. 

 

On 6/6/2024 at 4:50 PM, Stlboiler23 said:

Could be he’s 18 now and wasn’t then?  His parents can’t make that call now that he’s an adult. 

Parental pressure has no age limit. 

[ledies22]

On 6/7/2024 at 11:59 AM, Stlboiler23 said:

Painter doesn’t over-sign often and knew that Kanon could possibly leave (he literally had to be talked out of a decommitment last year lol).  Not sure why it’s so hard to believe.  His contingency plan was to have someone go off scholarship and have NIL pay for a year.  When a guy decommits and is talked into staying, wouldn’t most smart coaches start planning for it in case it happens again?  

You didn’t believe it back then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

should we make a thread “Painter is God and All Knowing” so you and Purdue7 can communicate the love and brilliance of Painter so no one on here has to read that crap cuz no one outside of you two on this board is buying what is being laid on the table. 

[13th&Jackson]

On 6/8/2024 at 2:51 PM, ledies22 said:

You didn’t believe it back then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

should we make a thread “Painter is God and All Knowing” so you and Purdue7 can communicate the love and brilliance of Painter so no one on here has to read that crap cuz no one outside of you two on this board is buying what is being laid on the table. 

It could be call the Paint Booth

[IndyResident16]

There's a lot more to the story than Kanon simply calling Painter up 24 hours prior to arriving on campus and making a bunch of guarantees or else. That's the narrative Purdue and Painter are completely content with controlling and the Catchings family isn't happy about it. 

Reality is that BYU formally hired KC's OTE coach 48 hours before he decommitted although this had been in the works for awhile. It's no coincidence that OTE coach gets hired at BYU, Kanon decommits, and then sets up an official visit to BYU all within a 72 hour window. Matt Painter and staff have known for over a year that Catchings was a flight risk and that getting him on campus was going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome. BYU made an offer that Purdue couldn't or wouldn't match and the optics of losing a stud in-state recruit because he's a headcase making a bunch of demands is a lot better sell for Purdue down the road than losing a stud in-state recruit to a school out in Utah with little basketball tradition because they couldn't match an offer. 

Edited June 11 by IndyResident16

[Seeking6]

9 hours ago, IndyResident16 said:

There's a lot more to the story than Kanon simply calling Painter up 24 hours prior to arriving on campus and making a bunch of guarantees or else. That's the narrative Purdue and Painter are completely content with controlling and the Catchings family isn't happy about it. 

Reality is that BYU formally hired KC's OTE coach 48 hours before he decommitted although this had been in the works for awhile. It's no coincidence that OTE coach gets hired at BYU, Kanon decommits, and then sets up an official visit to BYU all within a 72 hour window. Matt Painter and staff have known for over a year that Catchings was a flight risk and that getting him on campus was going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome. BYU made an offer that Purdue couldn't or wouldn't match and the optics of losing a stud in-state recruit because he's a headcase making a bunch of demands is a lot better sell for Purdue down the road than losing a stud in-state recruit to a school out in Utah with little basketball tradition because they couldn't match an offer. 

Which is why I love this board. Thanks! Note to self for future. When kid decommits find out the scheduled visits he made and find out who those schools recently hired. Haha.

The old Sampson shuffle.

[IndyResident16]

@Stlboiler23You delete some of your comments? Saw you quoted me but nothing appears.

Anyways, what so funny about that count? You're telling me that a player who was committed to Purdue for 18 months just found out that Painter doesn't make promises or guarantee playing time 24 hours prior to arriving on campus? That's what you're going with? Purdue fans can't shut up enough about how brutally honest Painter is when it comes to recruiting/NIL, shocking that a recruit wouldn't know it when the rest of you do. But if that's what you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night, knock yourself out.

Face it, BYU came in at the 11th hour with a better offer that Purdue either couldn't or wouldn't match and KC said "See Ya". Purdue wants to control the narrative that KC was a cancer and would have ultimately compromised the locker room so they don't have to tell future recruits that they couldn't match an NIL offer from a Mormon school out in Utah. National runner-ups shouldn't be losing top 40 recruits from their back yard...clearly Purdue wants a specific narrative told. 

Edited June 12 by IndyResident16

[13th&Jackson]

Occam's Razor - the most likely explanation is the one that requires the fewest assumptions to be true. 

On 6/4, BYU announced the hiring of Tim Fanning, Catching's coach at Overtime Elite. On 6/6, Catchings is released from his commitment to PU. On 6/8, Catchings announces a visit to BYU. 

[IndyResident16]

4 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

Occam's Razor - the most likely explanation is the one that requires the fewest assumptions to be true. 

On 6/4, BYU announced the hiring of Tim Fanning, Catching's coach at Overtime Elite. On 6/6, Catchings is released from his commitment to PU. On 6/8, Catchings announces a visit to BYU. 

Guessing Occam wasn't a rocket scientist either 😛

[13th&Jackson]

12 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Guessing Occam wasn't a rocket scientist either 😛

No, attributed to a 14th century Franciscan friar, logician and theologian, William of Ockham. However,

Stephen Hawking writes in A Brief History of Time:

"We could still imagine that there is a set of laws that determines events completely for some supernatural being, who could observe the present state of the universe without disturbing it.  However, such models of the universe are not of much interest to us mortals.  It seems better to employ the principle known as Occam's razor and cut out all the features of the theory that cannot be observed".

[BobSaccamanno]

Indiana fans tell it like it is when bad news hits.  Purdue fans go all defensive when they have bad news.  Look at the difference between how the Liam McNeely and Catchings news hit.   

It’s 100% a self esteem issue.  

Being defensive and creating post hoc rationalizations is always a pathetic and losing proposition, not just in sports, in life.   

Purdue fans are in quick sand.  Like Illinois with Eric Gordon, who everyone knew was gone months earlier.  And he was.  Just take the loss and deal with the fact that everyone knew he was a flight risk and it wasn’t managed great.  

[IUFLA]

8 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Indiana fans tell it like it is when bad news hits.  Purdue fans go all defensive when they have bad news.  Look at the difference between how the Liam McNeely and Catchings news hit.   

It’s 100% a self esteem issue.  

Being defensive and creating post hoc rationalizations is always a pathetic and losing proposition, not just in sports, in life.   

Purdue fans are in quick sand.  Like Illinois with Eric Gordon, who everyone knew was gone months earlier.  And he was.  Just take the loss and deal with the fact that everyone knew he was a flight risk and it wasn’t managed great.  

It's been noted a few times here that Purdue's NIL game is weak, but they're never going to acknowledge it.