Indykev Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, D-BONE said: I love everything after your first two sentences. They need to get their shit in gear. Are people not able to follow my arguments? I am saying if we are as good as our early season rankings we should be able to win a few of these recent games despite the impact of injury. If not we should have been pre/early-season rated more like 20 to 25, which I said was probably more realistic given - IMO - we hand't shown the ability to sustain top-10/upper B1G all season with the favorite tag, which itself brings major added pressure and challenge. So if the initial ranking were appropriate, I would expect we could overcome some of this. Rankings are based off your top 7 or 8 guys, not #13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Indykev said: We are playing freshmen that cant play. MK, TG, JG and MK couldn't guard dead people. No the talent isn't there....Dude We don’t have talent on this team? Disagree with that. We had 4 top 50 recruits on the floor at one time and NW was running circles around them…..Beren even had time to check his syllabus and make sure that paper he wrote isn’t due tomorrow morning….and then he found himself wide open for a 3. We made Northwestern look like the 2018 Golden State Warriors. Northwestern! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I'm on record right now saying Bates, Geronimo, and Galloway are underachieving right now (whether on coaching or the players). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Indykev said: Rankings are based off your top 7 or 8 guys, not #13 Bates, Galloway, and Geronimo are #13? I would think more like 6, 7, 8th man. Edited January 8, 2023 by D-BONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, D-BONE said: Nice post. Reneau was everbody's darling early. Now he's trash. ….No, now don’t say that dude! Come on! Reneau is thinking WAY too much. He is very talented, but he’s overthinking EVERYTHING and not ready for his needed roll. It will definitely come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, D-BONE said: I love everything after your first two sentences. They need to get their shit in gear. Are people not able to follow my arguments? I am saying if we are as good as our early season rankings we should be able to win a few of these recent games despite the impact of injury. If not we should have been pre/early-season rated more like 20 to 25, which I said was probably more realistic given - IMO - we hand't shown the ability to sustain top-10/upper B1G all season with the favorite tag, which itself brings major added pressure and challenge. So if the initial ranking were appropriate, I would expect we could overcome some of this. I guess not. Like I said, after 9 games we were 7-2 and ranked 14th. About right with X and Race. No excuse at Iowa. That may come down to inside or outside the bubble. Same as today really but without 2 senior starters, though no one expects or accepts it, it wasn't as shocking at blowing a 21 point lead. Most teams in the 12-20 range would suffer greatly losing 2 senior starters. If you do think that's true then let's just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I'm surprisingly calm about this loss. Disappointed for sure but.....and I know the next man up fan guys will argue this.....you can't judge anything when down 40% of your starters. You just can't. We made some dumb mistakes...careless passes by many. 1 point loss to a team who has also won at Sparty. It's not season ending by any means. Schedule has some winnable games coming up. Try and get healthy and see what happens in March. Regular season is out the window title is out the window but who cares about those anymore anyway. In terms of game. TJD just an absolute warrior and I still chuckle at some who thought JHS wouldn't be starting. Absolute stud and you can see his confidence growing. We'll get this thing righted. Ton of hoops to be played. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: I'm not sure who MJ is? He's bad. Edited January 8, 2023 by 5fouls 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Joe_Hoopsier said: I looked out there once and saw CJG gaurding about 5' past the 3 line and JUMPED with amazement ! WTF started us playing D with out toes on the 3 line instead of heals? JFC! Archie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Artesian_86 said: ….No, now don’t say that dude! Come on! Reneau is thinking WAY too much. He is very talented, but he’s overthinking EVERYTHING and not ready for his needed roll. It will definitely come. You're right. I'm not saying he's trash, but he's playing trash. He's young. He's also rather slow and earth-bound for a legit PF currently though. Was just responding to other posts that I think are letting our bench off the hook for the current struggles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: I guess not. Like I said, after 9 games we were 7-2 and ranked 14th. About right with X and Race. No excuse at Iowa. That may come down to inside or outside the bubble. Same as today really but without 2 senior starters, though no one expects or accepts it, it wasn't as shocking at blowing a 21 point lead. Most teams in the 12-20 range would suffer greatly losing 2 senior starters. If you do think that's true then let's just move on. No worries. Despite the disagreement, I appreciate the debate. And your position is by no means untenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Zville Hoosier said: If we remove that phantom foul against JHS in the 1st half, we win! 🤪 Or go night-night in the closing seconds and give them an easy bucket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, D-BONE said: No worries. Despite the disagreement, I appreciate the debate. And your position is by no means untenable. Maybe one out of 40 preseason polls had us in the tip 10. In fact, I think it was Katz only. So yeah, we weren't preseason top 10. And surely not a top 10 without 2 senior starters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Great contributions by these two but it’s a 5v5 game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) C'mon, CMW, you saw as well as us what JHS did. Can you tweak the offense to get a little more ball and player movement speahreaded by him and a very capable TJD (in terms of ballhandling, breaking down the D, and passing) to somehow get guys like Bates, Copp, and Galloway more smoothly integrated into the offense? Agree with several here - all those guys have offensive skills. Why do they get so few shots? Edited January 8, 2023 by D-BONE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: We don’t have talent on this team? Disagree with that. We had 4 top 50 recruits on the floor at one time and NW was running circles around them…..Beren even had time to check his syllabus and make sure that paper he wrote isn’t due tomorrow morning….and then he found himself wide open for a 3. We made Northwestern look like the 2018 Golden State Warriors. Northwestern! All that said, you made my point. Couldnt give 2 shits about rankings. Have you seen some of the guys making a living from ranking players. Most wouldnt be the last pick on the play ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Some on here really into passing the buck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Woody should probably just go zone. He's bound and determined to play Kopp and Bates together. May as well give them a shot of actually defending the perimeter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NotIThatLives Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, D-BONE said: C'mon, CMW, you saw as well as us what JHS did. Can you tweak the offense to get a little more ball and player movement speahreaded by him and a very capable TJD (in terms of ballhandling, breaking down the D, and passing) to somehow get guys like Bates, Copp, and Galloway more smoothly integrated into the offense? Agree with several here - all those guys have offensive skills. Why do they get so few shots? Offense hasn't been the issue. Defense has. But coaching certainly needs to improve. Like at Iowa. After JG lost Murray for the 3 at 16 minutes, he should have been yanked but he stayed in another 4 minutes and cost another 7 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWIUFan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 To my eye, there are 3 glaring deficiencies that need to be addressed yesterday: 1. FT shooting. As RMK said THEY ARE FREE! No excuses for D1 athletes to not be proficient. CMW and players share this problem. 2. Defense. Multiple players seem lost and act as though they were never prepared with a scouting report. CMW and players share this problem 3. Turnovers. Player for the most part own this. BIG season now appears lost. Hopefully, CMW and staff can salvage enough wins by the end of the BIG Tournament to make into the NCAAT. I'm ambivalent at best on whether that can occur. The next 2mo will give us enough insight into CMW's ability to truly get IU back to prominence. I wish him well. The honeymoon is over. It's time for solutions. No more excuses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: Offense hasn't been the issue. Defense has. But coaching certainly needs to improve. Like at Iowa. After JG lost Murray for the 3 at 16 minutes, he should have been yanked but he stayed in another 4 minutes and cost another 7 points. Defense has been poor no doubt. But you also need to involve more people in the offense build their confidence, etc. It's not as simple as D wins championships anymore. Opponents have players - including bench guys - and schemes that can score the ball. You have to be able to put points on the board, including off your bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 It's not 1976 anymore, y'all. We need a late-80s-Knight offense if we want to compete consistently. You're not holding people to 60 or less regularly anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I'm surprisingly calm about this loss. Disappointed for sure but.....and I know the next man up fan guys will argue this.....you can't judge anything when down 40% of your starters. You just can't. We made some dumb mistakes...careless passes by many. 1 point loss to a team who has also won at Sparty. It's not season ending by any means. Schedule has some winnable games coming up. Try and get healthy and see what happens in March. Regular season is out the window title is out the window but who cares about those anymore anyway. In terms of game. TJD just an absolute warrior and I still chuckle at some who thought JHS wouldn't be starting. Absolute stud and you can see his confidence growing. We'll get this thing righted. Ton of hoops to be played. there really were people saying Woodson wouldn't start him because he was a freshman weren't there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, D-BONE said: It's not 1976 anymore, y'all. We need a late-80s-Knight offense if we want to compete consistently. You're not holding people to 60 or less regularly anymore. Knight didn't have shooters standing around hoping to get open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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