KoB2011 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, andy_puiu said: Why isn't the 'plus/minus' rating adjusted by minutes played? That seems like an obvious and necessary consideration. I think plus/minus is a valuable but dangerous statistic in the sense that it is very easy to misinterpret it. Nevertheless, it doesn't make any sense to me to ever look at it without dividing by minutes played. Since I did the math, I'll share it. The top three and bottom three (well, 2 out of 3) are pretty interesting. Player minutes +/- p/m per 40 Geronimo 17 30 71 Trey G 20 32 64 Tamar 22 34 62 Race 17 20 47 Leal 6 7 47 MR 20 23 46 CJ 15 17 45 Shipp 4 4 40 Childress 4 4 40 JHS 22 21 38 Trayce 21 17 32 Xavier 15 11 29 Kopp 17 9 21 Burke 1 -4 -160 To your point, plus/minus is a valuable stat over time but in a one-game snap shot it doesn't tell a ton. Even then, it's a very incomplete stat devoid of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euroclydon Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 After two exhibitions against lesser teams we still have a lot of questions. We see the talent and potential but not a remotely close to finished product. So what do we think we know? TJD and Race will lead the way. JHS looks to be as advertised. MR has much better footwork than expected. X is not sharp yet. The rest are showing signs of improvement. I want to say the second team will be able to hold or increase leads unlike last season. It may end up being the key to their success. The depth this season is night and day from last season. What I need to see is a mentally tough defensive monster that can take their show on the road, and a team that can find ways to score even if the three pointers are not falling. They need to kick it into high gear fast with the schedule they face. No easing into the season. Go Hoosiers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Euroclydon said: After two exhibitions against lesser teams we still have a lot of questions. We see the talent and potential but not a remotely close to finished product. So what do we think we know? TJD and Race will lead the way. JHS looks to be as advertised. MR has much better footwork than expected. X is not sharp yet. The rest are showing signs of improvement. I want to say the second team will be able to hold or increase leads unlike last season. It may end up being the key to their success. The depth this season is night and day from last season. What I need to see is a mentally tough defensive monster that can take their show on the road, and a team that can find ways to score even if the three pointers are not falling. They need to kick it into high gear fast with the schedule they face. No easing into the season. Go Hoosiers! You can say that about every team in the country that they aren't a finished product. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Euroclydon said: What I need to see is a mentally tough defensive monster that can take their show on the road, and a team that can find ways to score even if the three pointers are not falling. Go Hoosiers! Everyone wants to talk about key to the season. You just nailed it. Be a top 5 defense and you are a top 10 team. Mess around and be a cute team and be a top 25 defense, that limits the ceiling. This still isn't a team that's going to put up points in a hurry. Not without sniffling defense it's not. Defense and points off turnovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 8 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: Everyone wants to talk about key to the season. You just nailed it. Be a top 5 defense and you are a top 10 team. Mess around and be a cute team and be a top 25 defense, that limits the ceiling. This still isn't a team that's going to put up points in a hurry. Not without sniffling defense it's not. Defense and points off turnovers Just curious, but why can't this team put up points in a hurry? We'll probably be better than our competition at 3 if not 4 positions most nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Just curious, but why can't this team put up points in a hurry? We'll probably be better than our competition at 3 if not 4 positions most nights. 3 point barrages like Hulls, Watford and company couple drop 20 on you real fast. But this better be a bet defensive team or it won't matter. That's why defense and points off turnovers is most important for this team to meet it's maximum potential. Tell me what you're would think is more important as a team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: 3 point barrages like Hulls, Watford and company couple drop 20 on you real fast. But this better be a bet defensive team or it won't matter. That's why defense and points off turnovers is most important for this team to meet it's maximum potential. Tell me what you're would think is more important as a team? I don't disagree that defense is the most important thing, I just don't understand why we can't put up a lot of points in a hurry. It might look different than how the Crean teams did it, but that's far from the only way to have an explosive offense. Turnovers, as you said, can certainly be a big part of it but we have several guys who can get out and run off of misses (or maybe even makes?). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I don't disagree that defense is the most important thing, I just don't understand why we can't put up a lot of points in a hurry. It might look different than how the Crean teams did it, but that's far from the only way to have an explosive offense. Turnovers, as you said, can certainly be a big part of it but we have several guys who can get out and run off of misses (or maybe even makes?). I think the defense will lead to offense. I hope that is the teams mindset as well because if it is, they will win a lot of games. That year I spoke of we were 19th in d and 2nd in o. Last year they were 95 and 24. Those both need cut in at least half. Maybe we have too high of expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Shep Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 Key to the season is to limit XJ minutes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 ^^^^^^ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: ^^^^^^ Last year someone found a coach Shep on Twitter and it was like a 6th grade girls volleyball coach. I'm leaning home school league. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Coach Shep said: Key to the season is to limit XJ minutes. At this point I want Johnson to get 35 mpg just to annoy you. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Shep Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 then IU wont make the NIT either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Shep Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 I dont have a twitter account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, Coach Shep said: I dont have a twitter account Not an Elon Musk fan either? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 41 minutes ago, Coach Shep said: I dont have a twitter account So this isn't you then? https://mobile.twitter.com/_coachshep_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) I think coach shep is just upset one of his players didn't get an offer and XJ was offered a scholarship instead. Edited November 6, 2022 by mrflynn03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, mrflynn03 said: I think coach shep is just upset one of his players didn't get an offer and XJ was offered a scholarship instead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Shep Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 Not me. they are from Ga . I dont have twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: I think coach shep is just upset one of his players didn't get an offer and XJ was offered a scholarship instead. I think Coach Shep is a jilted girlfriend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 7, 2022 Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: So this isn't you then? https://mobile.twitter.com/_coachshep_ Upon reviewing the tweets, I don't think the two have anything in common other than both being opinionated idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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