MoyeCowbell Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I don't like that at all. If OSU was on the bubble, would they then account for that game as if it was a loss? Are they doing to count UVAs win against Duke against UVA now? What about other games that perhaps didn't get a statement, but had controversial finishes (IU @ NU, several others)? Exactly. There are consequential calls throughout the game that can change the entire flow and course of action. A bit reductive to say that 'only' the final play/s have validity to swing a result. Super slippery slope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 14 hours ago, FKIM01 said: You seriously think Edey would be the #1 option on every team in D1 this year? 😂 A team that runs or shoots a lot from distance won't wait for Edey to set up camp in the paint. ...or perhaps this year is more down than I thought... Yeah? What coach wouldn’t have a guy that is effective at the most efficient shots in college basketball be their number 1 option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, rico said: I stated earlier in the year my take on Edey. I compared him to Sampson, Ewing, and Hakeem. I stand by the comparison. I think that’s pretty fair/valid honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Agree to disagree, I think some folks have tried really hard all year to discredit Edey and Purdue and it comes off really poorly IMO. It's on par with Purdue fans discrediting us because we can take advantage of the NIL better than they can. I think you can make a strong case that Trayce should be B1G POTY and Edey National POTY - no part of me making the case for Trayce would involve the weak takes on Edey. I mean, you could make a lot of those same points ya'll make about Edey towards someone like Shaq or Wilt if you need an example of how weak they are (and yes, from a college standpoint Edey has earned a comparison to Shaq and Wilt for how dominant he's been this season). Boiler is trying to show that Edey is more than just his size, it's a valid point. I mean, what is TJD wasn't an elite level athlete for his size? Take away anyones best trait that they've built their game around and they'll be a lot worse, what a silly point to make. I personally think TJD and Edey are the two best players in America; TJD had a better Big Ten season and Edey a better overall season IMO. If your argument for TJD as BTPOTY is centered around something wrong with the guy Trayce is competing with, you're doing a massive descredit to Trayce and all he's accomplished. Here's my case for TJD as BTPOTY: 4 straight POTW awards in the middle of conference play Put up numbers that have only been achieved this century at the college and NBA level by Tim Duncan Best "conference only" raw numbers while having very good efficiency Led his team to second place finish despite playing a far and away more difficult schedule than other top teams. Led his team to a sweep of conference champion With the year TJD had, he probably wins BTPOY 9/10 times. Just sucks for him it was the one year that Edey just went full beast mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 Where's that "beating a dead horse" gif when you need it? 2 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: Yeah? What coach wouldn’t have a guy that is effective at the most efficient shots in college basketball be their number 1 option? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: I think that’s pretty fair/valid honestly. The problem is that many on here never saw Sampson, Ewing, or Olajuwon play in college! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: Yeah? What coach wouldn’t have a guy that is effective at the most efficient shots in college basketball be their number 1 option? You literally quoted my answer...🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, BruceDouglas said: The committee tentatively places one foot on a very slippery slope.... Can they call a T on Fran ? Kopp will shoot 2 under the watchful eye of ncaa and Courtney Green at the Hyper 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, rico said: Numbers and staying around the rim to do their damage. The biggest difference between the 3(Sampson, Ewing, Olajuwon) and Edey is that the previous ones are far more athletic than Zach. There are subtle differences in their overall games but to me the 4 are comparable. Rik Smits is probably a more apt comparison in numbers, athleticism, and game... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Rik Smits is probably a more apt comparison in numbers, athleticism, and game... that's not nearly as cool as saying "a less athletic Ewing". Personally, I prefer to be compared to a "less athletic Michael Jordan", than "Bob at the YMCA". Technically both are true though. Edited March 7, 2023 by tdhoosier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, BruceDouglas said: The committee tentatively places one foot on a very slippery slope.... I wish there was more meat on the bone for that "arm bar, shoulder drop, push off", on Galloway from Booeey'z last shot *Northwestern win! Maybe we'd get one of these sticky considerations From the NCAA for another "win". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 So is COTY the coach who did the best relative to their expected finish or the coach who did the best job? Collins did a great job no doubt but I have a hard time wrapping my head around a coach who won the league by 3 games in a year where they were picked between 5th and 7th not winning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Rik Smits is probably a more apt comparison in numbers, athleticism, and game... Negative. Smits had an offensive game 10-15 ft. out from the basket when he was in college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: I wish there was more meat on the bone for that "arm bar, shoulder drop, push off", on Galloway from Booeey'z last shot *Northwestern win! Maybe we'd get one of these sticky considerations From the NCAA for another "win". Play On! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDPU95 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Rik Smits is probably a more apt comparison in numbers, athleticism, and game... Smits had a serviceable mid-range shot though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, rico said: Negative. Smits had an offensive game 10-15 ft. out from the basket when he was in college. In the pros, yes, but not in college... And besides, Edey can shoot FTs at a 73% clip, and that means he's got a jump shot... At least according to some 😁 Edited March 7, 2023 by IUFLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said: Yeah? What coach wouldn’t have a guy that is effective at the most efficient shots in college basketball be their number 1 option? Brad Underwear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said: Smits had a serviceable mid-range shot though Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, NotIThatLives said: Brad Underwear Maybe that’s why he’s never made it past the second round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: In the pros, yes, but not in college... And besides, he can shoot FTs at a 73% clip, and that means he's got a jump shot... At least according to some 😁 Smits shot the "mid-range" in college. He "perfected" it in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: So is COTY the coach who did the best relative to their expected finish or the coach who did the best job? Collins did a great job no doubt but I have a hard time wrapping my head around a coach who won the league by 3 games in a year where they were picked between 5th and 7th not winning it. Yep, completely opposite of how the women's COTY was selected. Tough when you have more than one deserving candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: So is COTY the coach who did the best relative to their expected finish or the coach who did the best job? Collins did a great job no doubt but I have a hard time wrapping my head around a coach who won the league by 3 games in a year where they were picked between 5th and 7th not winning it. Not sure how a coach with a blending of Sampson, Hakeem, and Ewing going beast mode can win COTY to be honest. Northwestern just has mere mortals on the floor. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, rico said: Smits shot the "mid-range" in college. He "perfected" it in the NBA. If you remember, Hakeem had a killer baseline jumper, even in college, and Sampson was more than proficient mid range... Ewing, I'll give you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said: With the year TJD had, he probably wins BTPOY 9/10 times. Just sucks for him it was the one year that Edey just went full beast mode. Honestly it's similar in a lot of ways to Vic and Trey Burke. I'd give TJD the BTPOTY because I think he's better in conference play when I look at all the factors, but think Edey has the better case for NPOTY. I don't really think there's a "wrong" answer though either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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