TheWatShot Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: It took the Tigers 3 pitchers to throw a no hitter That's nothing...you should see how much it takes them to score a run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 9th* no-hitter in Tigers' history. *Actually the 10th, even if the record books don't show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 This pitching staff can't do anything the easy way. Get the first two out and then gives up a single and a walk. Now making a pitching change. Bad thing once again this was done to the 7th and 8th place hitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 De La Cruz just stole second, next pitch stole third and then stole home when the pitcher was walking back to the mound 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 In 30 games De La Cruz has 16 stolen bases and is tied with Fraley and Freidl for the team lead. Fraley has played 72 games and Freidl 66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, IU Scott said: De La Cruz just stole second, next pitch stole third and then stole home when the pitcher was walking back to the mound Now that's all sorts of awesome....just watched after getting back. Such an electric talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 48 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Now that's all sorts of awesome....just watched after getting back. Such an electric talent. 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: De La Cruz just stole second, next pitch stole third and then stole home when the pitcher was walking back to the mound Last done by a Red in 1919. Truly amazing. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: Don't understand managers sometimes. The Tigers is no hitting the Blue Jays and the manager took out the starter with two outs in the 7th. He was at only 91 pitches I know you'd rather see pitchers throw until they drop, but the score was only 2-0, the Blue Jays had a mini-threat going and Manning was starting to labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: I know you'd rather see pitchers throw until they drop, but the score was only 2-0, the Blue Jays had a mini-threat going and Manning was starting to labor. One guy on with two outs is a mini threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 That was a big win for the Reds because now they will be leading the division at the all star break. Hopefully win tomorrow and have a 3 game lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: One guy on with two outs is a mini threat It's a threat when you have the worst offense in MLB and your pitchers are under a ton of pressure to not give up runs. Even though everyone wants to see a no-hitter, winning the game is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: It's a threat when you have the worst offense in MLB and your pitchers are under a ton of pressure to not give up runs. Even though everyone wants to see a no-hitter, winning the game is more important. It is sad when 91 pitches is considered pitching them until they drop. You have to teach pitchers how to battle through adversity and not take them out the first sign of trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, IU Scott said: It is sad when 91 pitches is considered pitching them until they drop. You have to teach pitchers how to battle through adversity and not take them out the first sign of trouble Ehh.. I think 90 pitches is more than enough. Baseball needs to adapt, maybe another roster spot is needed, although.. it seems pretty easy to move arms up and down to AAA and back. More arms. Or two roster spots. Everyone tries to have 6 starters.. or the idea guys just throw once every 6 days. It'll lead to more offense on some days for sure, but might help with arm health. The only time in a pitchers career where they "throw every 5 days" is in the pros.. makes no sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 ESPN listing Lively as the starter tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 But play him where... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 12 hours ago, btownqb said: Ehh.. I think 90 pitches is more than enough. Baseball needs to adapt, maybe another roster spot is needed, although.. it seems pretty easy to move arms up and down to AAA and back. More arms. Or two roster spots. Everyone tries to have 6 starters.. or the idea guys just throw once every 6 days. It'll lead to more offense on some days for sure, but might help with arm health. The only time in a pitchers career where they "throw every 5 days" is in the pros.. makes no sense. Whether it was the 'right' thing to do or not, 40+ years ago teams had 4 man rotations. Were there arm injuries? Sure. But, at no point during that time do I remember the Reds rotation missing 4 starters at one time like they were a just a couple of weeks ago (Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft, Lively). While Scott's dream of pitchers going 8 innings every time out while throwing 130 pitches a game may be over, the truth is that used to be possible. Whether it is the way pitchers condition, the pitches they throw, or trying to make the perfect pitch with every throw, pitchers are simply not capable of the workload they used to have. Scott is 100% correct in that regard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 7 hours ago, btownqb said: But play him where... DH/1B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Whether it was the 'right' thing to do or not, 40+ years ago teams had 4 man rotations. Were there arm injuries? Sure. But, at no point during that time do I remember the Reds rotation missing 4 starters at one time like they were a just a couple of weeks ago (Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft, Lively). While Scott's dream of pitchers going 8 innings every time out while throwing 130 pitches a game may be over, the truth is that used to be possible. Whether it is the way pitchers condition, the pitches they throw, or trying to make the perfect pitch with every throw, pitchers are simply not capable of the workload they used to have. Scott is 100% correct in that regard. It being possible, or done before is irrelevant. I'm not sure what Scott is right about? Its all about the reality of things. 130 pitches is wild to me. And stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: DH/1B Instead of Votto!?!?! I was all about it before I saw how locked in Votto is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Whether it was the 'right' thing to do or not, 40+ years ago teams had 4 man rotations. Were there arm injuries? Sure. But, at no point during that time do I remember the Reds rotation missing 4 starters at one time like they were a just a couple of weeks ago (Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft, Lively). While Scott's dream of pitchers going 8 innings every time out while throwing 130 pitches a game may be over, the truth is that used to be possible. Whether it is the way pitchers condition, the pitches they throw, or trying to make the perfect pitch with every throw, pitchers are simply not capable of the workload they used to have. Scott is 100% correct in that regard. Could you imagine how a Tom Seaver or Bob Gibson would react to a manager come ng out to take him out during a no hitter Edited July 9, 2023 by IU Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, btownqb said: Instead of Votto!?!?! I was all about it before I saw how locked in Votto is. No, you can have both in the lineup. One at 1st, the other at DH. We don't need 3 catchers on the roster so cut Cassali and bring up Encarscion-Strand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: It being possible, or done before is irrelevant. I'm not sure what Scott is right about? Its all about the reality of things. 130 pitches is wild to me. And stupid. So how is coddling and babying pitchers worked out. It was supposed to help decrease injuries but it has done the opposite. Injuries are worse today than they ever have been. If you condition the pitchers early on and stretch them out then 120 pitches isn't anything. They use to have a 10 man pitching staff and it was enough pitchers. Now you have 13 and 14 pitchers and there are still a lot of pitchers on the DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: No, you can have both in the lineup. One at 1st, the other at DH. We don't need 3 catchers on the roster so cut Cassali and bring up Encarscion-Strand That accomplishes nothing. There isn't a daily lineup spot for CES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 I don't think the coddling of starting pitchers has had a unintended consequence towards the relievers. You want to prevent starters from injuries but now relievers having to pitch 4 innings a game is causing them more injuries and over use. Last week the Reds had 12 pitchers on the DL so this isn't preventing injuries but increasing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 Friedl CF McLain SS India 2B EDLC 3B Fraley RF Votto 1B Steer DH Stephenson C Benson LF You can't sit any of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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