Wisconsin Pre Game Thread

[5fouls]

12 hours ago, Purdue7 said:

 

first team to 60 wins 

So, you think it will be a 4ot game. 

[Purdue7]

Just now, 5fouls said:

So, you think it will be a 4ot game. 

Seriously…🤣

I hate that I have to watch  🦡  🏀 

if there was no shot clock would they hold the ball for 1 shot ?

[btownqb]

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

The way CMW talked about Galloway in the post game, i think he goes back to the bench

Jmo 

He needs to

[NCHoosier32]

i personally like the idea of who earns it each day whether in practice or game.  Trey deserved to start last game.  based on the last game, he doesn't deserve to start this game, but how was practice this week?  also how was Stewart's attitude?  etc, etc.  

[Billingsley99]

22 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Jmo 

He needs to

I would start him over Kopp. Kopp gives us nothing

[btownqb]

Just now, Billingsley99 said:

I would start him over Kopp. Kopp gives us nothing

Idc who starts 

Kopp played 12 mins last game 

[Billingsley99]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Idc who starts 

Kopp played 12 mins last game 

In this 1 Galloway on Davis is our best match-up and I think we need it from the start. Do not let him get a fast start

[DWB]

The ONLY criteria for those who start should be the most productive players from the last game & this week's practice.

Period. Why would you want anything else? Not putting your best foot forward is a receipe for disaster.

Now...having said that, I think you have to balance that with the most productive players on defense, and the most productive players on offense.

[btownqb]

4 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

In this 1 Galloway on Davis is our best match-up and I think we need it from the start. Do not let him get a fast start

Solid point. Weren't we really good on him early in the game in UW? Or I am misremembering. Either way, if XJ gets in foul trouble we're f*****. 

[btownqb]

1 minute ago, DWB said:

The ONLY criteria for those who start should be the most productive players from the last game & this week's practice.

Period. Why would you want anything else? Not putting your best foot forward is a receipe for disaster.

Now...having said that, I think you have to balance that with the most productive players on defense, and the most productive players on offense.

Thankfully this is NOT how coaches determine a starting lineup or playing time, mostly. 

[IUFLA]

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

The way CMW talked about Galloway in the post game, i think he goes back to the bench

I don't think he was much happier with Stewart...

[Billingsley99]

4 minutes ago, DWB said:

The ONLY criteria for those who start should be the most productive players from the last game & this week's practice.

Period. Why would you want anything else? Not putting your best foot forward is a receipe for disaster.

Now...having said that, I think you have to balance that with the most productive players on defense, and the most productive players on offense.

To play devils advocate, if your 5 best players in practice are guards you start them. What if you gave 3 post players and no point guard have a great week of practice 

[Billingsley99]

4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Solid point. Weren't we really good on him early in the game in UW? Or I am misremembering. Either way, if XJ gets in foul trouble we're f*****. 

I don't remember.  I thought he kept them in it but I might be wrong. The few games that I have seen him he seems to continue how he starts games

[DWB]

16 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

To play devils advocate, if your 5 best players in practice are guards you start them. What if you gave 3 post players and no point guard have a great week of practice 

My bad, I should have added a qualifying statement that you have to fill the positions as well. But...to answer your devil's advocate question, maybe you start 3 guards or even 4 if they are the ones playing the best. Or, in your example, you play 2 post players, with one as a stretch 4. There are ALWAYS options. It's whether a coach has the kahunas to try them. Most coaches don't want to deviate from their own system.

I never said you can't substitute. If a player isn't producing, you sub until you find one who can.

Edited February 15, 2022 by DWB

[btownqb]

1 minute ago, DWB said:

My bad, I should have added a qualifying statement that you have to fill the positions as well. But...to answer your devil's advocate question, maybe you start 3 guards or even 4 if they are the ones playing the best. Or, in your example, you play 2 post players, with one as a stretch 4. There are ALWAYS options. It's whether a coach has the kahunas to try them. Most coaches don't want to deviate from their own system.

I never said you can't substitute. If a player isn't producing, you sub until you find one who can.

THEY SHOULDN'T! That is when things go bad! 

[Billingsley99]

2 minutes ago, DWB said:

My bad, I should have added a qualifying statement that you have to fill the positions as well. But...to answer your devil's advocate question, maybe you start 3 guards or even 4 if they are the ones playing the best. Or, in your example, you play 2 post players, with one as a stretch 4. There are ALWAYS options. It's whether a coach has the kahunas to try them. Most coaches don't want to deviate from their own system.

I never said you can't substitute. If a player isn't producing, you sub until you find one who can.

Based on what I have seen Woodson does not seem very fond of change.

[DWB]

1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said:

Based on what I have seen Woodson does not seem very fond of change.

Copy that !

[DWB]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

THEY SHOULDN'T! That is when things go bad! 

Not trying to pick a fight....but you think things are going good right now for us?

I don't. They're not horrible, and better than last year, IMO, but far from better than average.

[IowaHoosierFan]

41 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

I would start him over Kopp. Kopp gives us nothing

Kopp doesn't turn the ball over much, can shoot free throws and plays passible defense.  He also doesn't commit stupid emotional fouls.  He scores about as much or more than Galloway though.  Galloway bring motor and passion.  But that doesn't always mean its a net positive

[skrappy74]

47 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

I would start him over Kopp. Kopp gives us nothing

… until tonight. 

[Billingsley99]

3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

Kopp doesn't turn the ball over much, can shoot free throws and plays passible defense.  He also doesn't commit stupid emotional fouls.  He scores about as much or more than Galloway though.  Galloway bring motor and passion.  But that doesn't always mean its a net positive

He has had 1 double digit game since Syracuse. Does not shoot enough or enough to get to the line. From what I have seen a def3nsive liability.  

[Billingsley99]

Just now, skrappy74 said:

… until tonight. 

If we did not get it at Northwestern not.sure we will get it. I.hope because I think he is the key , but right now it's not unlocking anything 

[btownqb]

15 minutes ago, DWB said:

Not trying to pick a fight....but you think things are going good right now for us?

I don't. They're not horrible, and better than last year, IMO, but far from better than average.

You cannot expect your kids to respond well to never knowing their role. A confused athlete is not a good athlete. Plus, at that point you're strong arming your kids. "either you play well or you sit"... is not the way to be, imo. 

Have you had success with this sort of substitution pattern? Or witnessed it as a consistent part of a successful team? How do they know what is expected of them from game to game? 

Edited February 15, 2022 by btownqb

[IowaHoosierFan]

7 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

He has had 1 double digit game since Syracuse. Does not shoot enough or enough to get to the line. From what I have seen a def3nsive liability.  

I don't count his as a liability.  Stellar, nope, but he holds his own enough and doesn't foul.  He also only plays about 15 minutes a game also.  Galloway has had 1 good game really and has struggled or been a no factor for the other times.  I really like him, but he isn't 30 minute guy yet at this point.  

Start him, don't start him, it really doesn't matter to me.  But CMW was pretty blunt that what Galloway did last game was not good and it didn't work.

[btownqb]

6 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I don't count his as a liability.  Stellar, nope, but he holds his own enough and doesn't foul.  He also only plays about 15 minutes a game also.  Galloway has had 1 good game really and has struggled or been a no factor for the other times.  I really like him, but he isn't 30 minute guy yet at this point.  

Start him, don't start him, it really doesn't matter to me.  But CMW was pretty blunt that what Galloway did last game was not good and it didn't work.

And him starting along with XJ getting into foul trouble really left us in a tough spot. Staggering their play early in the game seems to work better. But hey, I'm not an NBA coach and it was only a one game sample size.