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I have no reason to believe it's fake news.  One thing we need to consider regarding how this turns out is that the quality of medical attention he receives will exceed that of other obese 74 year old males that contract the virus.

If he beats it, that does not mean it is not deadly.  Available, top notch medical care comes with being President of the U.S.  That type of care is not found in the vast majority of hospitals and communities in the U.S.

If he gets seriously ill, or even dies, there is so much unknown about this virus that would not really tell us anything new either.  Even among at-risk groups, the virus hits some harder than others. We don't know yet which side of that fence the President is.  

And, as we know, many people that have the virus are asymptomatic.  He could legitimately be one of those as well.

3 hours ago, tdhoosier said:

😯

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519282-president-trump-melania-trump-test-positive-for-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR1EmjvIXlXj2fz4P0PRi4-GcZAZWQBbucLebuDz2wVsoRXdUoDJHmSdC54

One of the challenges in a situation like this when it comes to contact tracing is whether the aide gave it to him or he gave it to her?  Or, did a 3rd party give it to both?  The timeline is such that just because her positive test came back first, there is no guarantee that's where he picked it up.  It appears the positive results are only a few hours apart.   

Had not heard much lately about the loss of smell and/or taste related to Covid.  New study points to them as being a very reliable indicator.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/health/covid-19-symptom-smell-loss-taste-loss-study-wellness/index.html

1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said:

At the Mellencamp mural in Seymour

Where is that at?  Been to Seymour quite a bit over the last few years for sporting events and never knew this existed.  Definitely want to check it out my next visit.

18 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

My all time favorite Merle Haggard 

 

I'll take Merle over any country musician, and Mama Tried was his best.  

I tried to upload images from all ,my marriages and got a 'file size' error.  

3 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

OK here I am

You know.  It entered my mind to post this for you, but since I already got a jab in a post in the NBA thread today, I didn't do it.  And, I must say, it's a lot funnier coming from you.  

1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

It was repeatedly reported and confirmed, including by Kawhi, that he specifically requested PG. There are multiple stories covering it, including from the side of the both the Clips and Thunder as to how it went down. Couldn't care less what McIntyre says "just what I've heard." That stuff is bunk. The essentially sports article you link is based on McIntyre, and is purely speculative.

Must...........defend.........Paul Geo....gasp.....rge.........until........death....

12 hours ago, dgambill said:

I think football suffers the most without fans. I mean no crowd noise to make it not nearly as difficult for opposing offenses. It makes a huge difference. Can you imagine Peyton playing with no crowd noise being able to audible easily at will?? Viewing wise baseball suffers a ton. Playoff baseball you can feel the crowd on the edge of their seat, roaring for a hit, strike out, you can almost feel like you are there. Basketball has always been pretty sterile as far as the nba goes for me. Half the time the music is so loud I couldn’t even talk with my friend/wife at the game. It gets loud too don’t get me wrong but I don’t think it really effects the game much...probably officials more than players.
Viewing wise most basketball and football shots are close/tight shots on the action. Baseball you see empty behind the catcher, the dugout, every foul ball, home run...so all in all I think basketball loses the least...and yet people don’t want to tune in...I think we all know why...it’s the most vocal of all of the professional sports with messaging.

Even looking beyond the NBA, basketball needs something to energize the moment.  Why do people that would not miss a regular season UNC/Duke game with Dickey V screaming on the mic,  not watch the conference tournament championship of the Patriot league?  Even with my favorite team, IU, there is a huge difference being in Assembly Hall than there is watching it on TV.  Basketball on TV needs something artificial to build the tension, at least for me.

By contrast, While I was supposed to be working yesterday afternoon, I was instead riveted to the TV following the Reds/Braves scoreless marathon.  Even without fans, I found the action to be just as intense as it would have been if the stands would have been full.  Basketball, not just the NBA, does not do that for me.

Your point on the NFL is valid as it relates to impacts on the game.  But, I was talking more in terms of viewability.  For me, the lack of a crowd does not impact my viewing of the NFL.  it does impact my viewing of the NBA for the reasons stated above.

2 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Wanted to fire this one back up as we head into cooler temps,etc...

 I'm pretty frugal so I don't buy tennis shoes often but at the beginning of shutdown back on 3/16 week I bought a new pair of tennis shoes to keep my walking up. 

I'm proud and sad to announce my 30 week old shoes will have to go to shoe/closet heaven. 1350+ miles of walking since I bought. Tops of the shoes are still beautiful....soles however are shot. 

Dropped 6 lbs during Corona which once you consider the beer intake is a minor miracle. Good luck to those who are keeping fitness up and if not....today is never a bad day to start getting healthier. 

 

Congrats on sticking with it.  I started Corona determined to walk the soles off my shoes.  I did great for 3 weeks, and then fell totally off to doing nothing.

For me, basketball has been the most difficult to watch without fans among the major sports (sorry, hockey, you never connected with me).  Basketball just seems to lose more than baseball and football. That could be contributing to low ratings, because I know it makes a difference with me.  There just is no energy at all.  And, basketball needs energy.

 I've found football to be the easiest to watch.  Honestly, I'm not really missing the fans there at all.  With baseball, you get the constant reminder there are no fans because with every pitch you're seeing the seats behind home plate.  Throw in foul balls and you are fully aware the stands are empty.  With football, you never see the fans during the action, unless it's something like a Lambeau Leap after a touchdown.    

5 minutes ago, cybergates said:

If Vic would just come out and say he's leaving because Pritchard drafted TJ Leaf over OG, I'd be cool with it.

If Vic would come out and say he's leaving because Pritchard drafted TJ Leaf over Tim Priller, I would understand that as well.  

8 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Why aren't people here questioning the P's management?

Admittedly, I am going to be pro-management most of the time.  it's just who I am and how I see things.

In this particular, case, I don't see Vic's actions to be a betrayal of the Pacers, or even Pacers fans.  This bothers me more as a Hoosiers fan than it does a Pacers fan.

It feels a little more personal than something like the PG13 situation because Vic was a Hoosier before becoming a Pacer

I keep asking myself, would Cody do this.  Or, would Yogi do this.  I realize they haven't achieved what Vic has achieved, but at the same time, I like to believe (and maybe I'm wrong) that each of those guys would take some sort of hometown discount to get to play in Indiana long term.  I always though Vic would as well.  And, yes, hometown discounts do occur on occasion.  

Total deaths in Indiana - 3,405

Percentage of deaths by age group

• 00-19:  .1%
• 20-39: 1.1%
• 40-59: 7%
• 60-79: 41%
• 80+: 51%

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/

1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said:

 You causing all sorts of upheaval around this place

6 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

Happy Birthday!!

That wasn't very nice of you to wish Fran a happy birthday, but delete the part about it being Steub's birthday too.  

16 hours ago, DC2345 said:

Victor has his eyes set on other things. If it's not Vic directly it's people in his ear. 

When you let people in your ear, it's who you become as well.  We all have the ability to choose our own path, and even though we let people guide us in a direction, it's still our choice.

Since I know many don't like to open links, here is another excerpt from the Forbes article.  Once again, I've highlighted what I personally believe to be key points.

1. The number of confirmed cases

Late last month, the United States reached what CBS News called a “grim milestone,” topping 6 million confirmed Covid-19 cases. The number, compiled by Johns Hopkins University, is both accurate and misleading. 

The key word here is “confirmed” cases (positive tests), which pundits and the public often confuse with the number of actual Covid-19 infections. The latter figure is much, much higher, according to researchers. 

In July, a study from MIT concluded that the number of Covid-19 cases could be 12 times higher than reported. Further, recent scenario planning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) included a “current best estimate” that 40% of people infected with Covid-19 are asymptomatic and, therefore, unlikely to be screened or counted among the population of confirmed cases. 

Based on serological testing data and this new research on asymptomatic carriers, health experts estimate that tens of millions of cases still have not yet been recorded. 

That’s a major problem, one that’s proving hazardous to our nation’s health.

Knowing the actual number of infected individuals, and whether the rate is increasing or declining, helps health experts predict pending hospitalizations and deaths. The true number also tells officials whether the nation is effectively containing the virus or on the brink of disaster. The issue with the more commonly cited statistic of “confirmed cases” is that politicians and news outlets use it as a surrogate for actual cases, tethering Americans to a distorted view of the pandemic. 

There’s a huge difference between confirming 6 million cases and dealing with the reality of 20, 30 or 40 million Americans who may have been infected with the coronavirus. Six million may be an accurate statistic, but it fails to reflect the real rate of transmission, and it helps to explain the ineffectiveness of public health policies to date. 

While we're discussing the link's @mrflynn03posted, let's not overlook the one from Forbes.  I've copied an excerpt below and highlighted some key points..

3. The case fatality rate of Covid-19

Through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, humans have become fairly good at detecting threats. Most people know to avoid things that slither, sting or snap their jaws. But when it comes to invisible enemies, like viruses, humans have to rely on science to understand how deadly they may be.

There are a number of different ways to measure the severity of a viral threat. One of those measures, the Case Fatality Rate (CFR), is based on factual numbers but is both inaccurate and misleading. It’s derived from a simple equation: the ratio between confirmed deaths (based on death certificates) and confirmed cases (based on positive Covid-19 tests). The CFR is only as accurate as those two data points. 

Since the number of cases is grossly undercounted, the mortality rate is significantly overstated. Previous estimates have placed the mortality rate as high as 4% but, with more frequent testing in recent months, that number has declined. The current mortality estimate is closer to 3%. 

Even that lower number assumes there have been fewer than 7 million U.S. cases and that asymptomatic people are all being tested. Neither assumption is possible. In fact, worldwide mortality from the coronavirus could be as low as 0.3%, based on highly controlled data from Iceland. What’s the point? A ten-fold difference (3% versus 0.3%) is both massive and highly consequential. 

Officials use mortality rates to determine the most appropriate response to infectious diseases. Ebola, for example, kills 50% of the people it infects on average, which is why the doctors who treat it wear hazmat suits. Seasonal flu, meanwhile, only kills around 0.1%. Thus, there are no public lockdown orders during flu season. In fact, half of all Americans don’t even bother getting vaccinated. 

Though the exact mortality rate of the coronavirus isn’t yet known, it is unlike Ebola and influenza in one important way: They are both “equal opportunity killers,” posing a relatively equal threat to the youngest and oldest populations. Not so with this coronavirus. Covid-19 spares approximately 99.99% of people under 24. By contrast, it claims 35% of people 85 years or older, the majority of whom have at least one chronic illness. 

Therefore, focusing on just one number—an overall mortality rate—does no one any good. Using it, policymakers have implemented a one-size-fits-none set of public health measures that over-restrict younger people who are relatively safe and under-support those at gravest danger, all while reaping economic and societal damage on all Americans. 

Had health experts and lawmakers made decisions based on mortality by age and existing health status, they might have adopted a segmented national health policy, one designed to save the most lives possible without inflicting undue psychological harm on those who are at minimal risk.

Instead, they acted on the wrong set of data, underscoring a dangerous truth: Statistics can be both factual and misleading.

New York Times article on Sweden's current success as the rest of Europe relapses.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vilified-early-over-lax-virus-strategy-sweden-seems-to-have-scourge-controlled/ar-BB19xtbp?ocid=msedgntp

48 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Wonder how they would make up this game.  If they have the same bye week then it would be OK but other wise there is no room to make up games.  Why I worry is that the Colts could be fighting with the Titans for the division title.  If they go 11-4 and the Colts go 11-5 who would get the title.

The Jaguars. 

4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Bye Vic, it's like we never knew ya. 

Trade him to Sacramento for Hield and let him rot for a year, let's see his free agent value then.... 

I like that, especially if the Kings would thrown in Yogi.  I doubt he would complain about being a Pacer.

Loved Vic at IU.  But, if he's pulling crap like this after everything both the City/State and the Pacers have done for him, well, then I'm not going to be the same fan I was before.  He would never become the 'celebrity' he did if OKC had traded him anywhere other than Indiana.  It was the perfect storm for Vic and now, after a bit of adversity, it seems as if may be turning his back.

Not cool.

1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said:

What are the numbers exactly?  I remember at one point in the so called thick of thing we were at 12% of icu capacity and give ot take a few % of ventilator use.  Maybe I'm making that up.  Admittedly I have thought the numbers were being misreported and politicized from early on, which proved true, I quit paying attention.  

This is a site I check every day.  There is a specific graph near the bottom where you can see hospital census.  Totals have been increasing the last couple of weeks.

As far as ICU beds and ventilators, the page only shows the current status.  But, as I follow it every day, I can tell you the 13.0% for ICU beds in use was below 10% just a couple of weeks ago.  And, the 3.2% for ventilators had gotten as low as 2.1% not that long ago.

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/

Hospital census, ICU usage, and ventilator usage are all inching up in Indiana.