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Just now, Indy1987 said:

The worst NET ranking to make the NCAA at-large field is No. 73 (St. John’s in 2019).  

Rutgers sits at 76.  

Again I think they are in but they aren't on firm ground.

Go Hoosiers!!!

That's more of an indictment on the NET than anything else.  There is absolutely no way an 18-12 team that beat Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa, etc. gets left out over a 19-11 team from a mid-major conference that happens to have a NET of 52.  

Just now, IU Scott said:

But we are competing with more than just UN and RU.  We are going against teams in the first 4 in and first 4 out, probably the last 4 byes.

I understand.  But, I'm conceptually talking about a scenario already decided the first 67 teams that are in and has already eliminated everyone below that.  And, in that very realistic scenario, teams #68 & #69 are Big Ten teams, that's going to be IU and UM.  Rutgers is not in that discussion.  There simply is not a scenario where they are #68 or #69.  

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

They really don't look at conference affiliations at all in the selection process.  They don't count how many teams in a conference are in and say that is enough.

Never said they did.  My point is that that if Team #68 & Team #69 are Big Ten squads, it's going to be Michigan and Indiana in those spots.  Rutgers is sitting somewhere in the mid to late 50's in teams under consideration.  

55 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

You did use big10.org and not big10.com right? 

If you used the latter, you might get some autographed pictures...

Yes.  It was .org.  I actually got the Out of Office message for the one dude, so pretty confident it worked.  

Daily Commute Musical Update

Heard this one on the way to work this morning for the first time in a LONG time.  Hard to believe it's been 44 years.  Makes me feel old.  Carload of People Approved.

I absolutely love this stuff.  Thank you for bringing it to the board.

5 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I think we all agree Rutgers is in at this point...

But if it was because of conference standings, then they'd be the fourth highest B1G team in the NCAA seeding and we all know that won't be the case. They're ahead of teams like IU and UM on the bubble because they have a better overall resume. 

Seeding is a different animal.  But, even with unbalanced conference schedules, conference finish is a critical component of comparing resumes.  Since schools play such a wide range of out of conference schedules, conference records are effective in determining the following.

- How teams did against common competition

- How teams are playing at end of year

2 hours ago, Purdue7 said:

I rewatched the game.  To foul we would have to be defending the Pick & Roll instead of watching….

This isn’t Kramer & Cardinal defense anymore.  MP gets skilled offensive players and hopes they are solid defenders….

It is virtually statistically impossible to get a 19-7 foul differential in a college basketball game.  That's what we had over the first 39 minutes.  That stat means virtually every 50/50 call went against the same team.

Its bogus.  And, I'm not saying it never happens to Purdue.  I'm sure it has at some point in the last 2-3 years.  But, it happened to Indiana on Saturday in a game they had to win.

That pisses me off.

17 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Calvin Ridley suspended for next year for gambling on games this past year. I know he said he needed a break to focus on mental well being.....as always the truth always comes out. 

S.T.U.P.I.D

No response yet.  I felt sure my email would be their #1 priority today.  

I'm going to continue to beat this dead horse.  Because Rutgers was able to beat Purdue, Iowa, MSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Indiana, they were able to finish 4th in the B1G.  

That's 7 wins against the top 9 in the conference.  IU has 2 wins against that same group.  So yes, WHO they beat is a lot more impressive.  But you cant ignore that by winning those games, it impacted the conference standings.  You simply cant ignore the correlation.  

Standings matter because it means you did better against common opposition.

Losing to Lafayette will have no bearing on Rutgers getting in or not.  Not one iota.  If IU beats Michigan and the committee only has room for 8 Big Ten teams, the decision is going to be between IU and Michigan.  

14 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

Conference standings literally mean nothing in the eyes of the committee. It‘s about who you beat and who beats you. 

Yes.  They do. It's a natural relationship.  If you finish 4th and are being compared to the team that finished 9th because of a similar overall record, that usually means 1 of 3 things

- The team that finished 4th beat the team that finished 9th.

- The team that finished 4th beat some good teams that the one that finished 9th didnt.

- The team that finished 9th lost to some below average teams that the team that finished 4th didnt.

So, even though our overall record is basically the same as Rutgers, they finished 3 games ahead if us in the conference standings.  I haven't memorized their schedule, but I can easily give you two reasons why that happened.

1) They beat us

2) They beat Purdue

Those two things dont happen and both teams finish 10-10 in conference.  The standings change at that point.  

Factor in that Rutgers got the 4 seed over two other teams that went 12-8 and that means they held the tie-breakers, which says their conference resume is better.

You cant separate the 'quality' of the resume from standings.

14 minutes ago, IUJoe said:

While I agree with you, it happened to us in Mike Davis’ next-to-last year.

Our record that year was worse than Rutgers, and I dont remember the exact # of teams from the B1G that got in that season, but it wasn't 8.  

42 minutes ago, btownqb said:

 

S*** Russia isn't going to invite us to their birthday party this year. Darn. 

I thought we were about as friendly as we could be from 1944 and on... allowing them to have their own country and what not, and government. 

San Marino is the key name on that list.  

16 hours ago, IU Scott said:

Prices sure has changed. In 89 for the NCAA tournament for all 3 sessions I paid $48.00

Average price of a gallon of gas in 1989 was $1.00.  Betcha can't find that today.  

12 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

Rutgers is 12-8 in conference 

Historically that’s a lock until you throw in a loss to Lafayette 

Rutgers is in.  They are playing well at the right time.  Getting the 4 seed in BTT sealed it if it was not already.  Hard to justify leaving the 4 seed out and taking seeds 5-8.

18 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

If IU mucks Fichigan they are in ?

loser leaves town 

Or do they 100% need Illini win too?

We beat Michigan and we COULD be in.  Probably 75/25 we are in depending on outcome of other tournaments. 

Now, if Illinois turns around and beats us by 30, that will make a difference as well compared as if we lose by 2.

I'm not confident that we can beat Michigan though.  Probably our two worst matchups (UM  and Illinois) back to back.

3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Late 90's I believe the Illini almost did that....they literally just ran out of gas in 2nd half of championship game. 

Yep.  I was at that game.  Went in as the 11 (last seed at the time) and almost pulled it off.  Saw the first 4 BTT in their entirity.

Watch.  We're going to beat Michigan to take their spot, only to watch Nebraska win 5 in a row to steal ours.  

The state of D1 basketball in Indiana

Will finish with losing records

• IUPUI
• Evansville
• Indiana State
• Valpo
• Butler
• Ball State

IU - Disappointing season

PU - Did not meet lofty preseason expectations

Fort Wayne - Good year but must win conference tournament to go dancing

Notre Dame - Solid year but benefitted from weak ACC

Talk about choking at the line.  

Refs putting the screws to Iowa right now.  

Coach Woodson needs to do something to piss off Juwan Howard during pregame warmups.  

We're going to make the tournament.  No way on earth the NIT does not take IU.